Nynaeve and the Forsaken have been shown to be only 2.5x stronger than a strong Sister.
Semirhage was held by 2 weak and one above average sister. Nynaeve held by 2 average Sisters. Egwene was held by 2 middling Sisters, but Amys, who is a Strong AS level could not hold Egwene alone.
Egwene is about 2x Sheriam and Nynaeve is about 2x Moiraine. Or Egwene would be 3x Careane (weak Sister) and Nynaeve 3x Verin (Average Sister). Egwene as an 80 and Nynaeve as a 97 would make Nynaeve 25% stronger than Egwene looking at it your way. That's equivalent to a weak or even middling Sister, CONSIDERABLE.
I don't want Egwene to be stronger, it's obvious that she is significantly less strong that Nynaeve. I just think the text points out time and again that she is far closer to the Forsaken than she is to the strong AS. We'll never know the exact numbers since I doubt RJ ever mapped it out beyond his vague 21-level list. I think it's very obvious that Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha are probably 50% closer to Nynaeve than they are Moiraine. This is also necessary to leave room for Cadsuane and Meilyn and Therava and Keren and Nicola and Bode between Egwene and Moiraine. On the other side of that we've only got Moghedien, Tamlela and Viendre between Egwene and Nynaeve.
There is ZERO evidence that Lanfear is more than a little stronger than Nynaeve's ultimate potential, so claiming that she is VASTLY stronger is erroneous. Given that only 6 women are stronger than Nynaeve I find it beyond difficult to believe that Lanfear was more than a few % points above Nynaeve.
You also consistently ignore RJs comments on Bell Curve distribution. Which is a whole other ball of wax I won't engage in here.
Semirhage was held by 2 weak and one above average sister. Nynaeve held by 2 average Sisters. Egwene was held by 2 middling Sisters, but Amys, who is a Strong AS level could not hold Egwene alone.
Egwene is about 2x Sheriam and Nynaeve is about 2x Moiraine. Or Egwene would be 3x Careane (weak Sister) and Nynaeve 3x Verin (Average Sister). Egwene as an 80 and Nynaeve as a 97 would make Nynaeve 25% stronger than Egwene looking at it your way. That's equivalent to a weak or even middling Sister, CONSIDERABLE.
I don't want Egwene to be stronger, it's obvious that she is significantly less strong that Nynaeve. I just think the text points out time and again that she is far closer to the Forsaken than she is to the strong AS. We'll never know the exact numbers since I doubt RJ ever mapped it out beyond his vague 21-level list. I think it's very obvious that Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha are probably 50% closer to Nynaeve than they are Moiraine. This is also necessary to leave room for Cadsuane and Meilyn and Therava and Keren and Nicola and Bode between Egwene and Moiraine. On the other side of that we've only got Moghedien, Tamlela and Viendre between Egwene and Nynaeve.
There is ZERO evidence that Lanfear is more than a little stronger than Nynaeve's ultimate potential, so claiming that she is VASTLY stronger is erroneous. Given that only 6 women are stronger than Nynaeve I find it beyond difficult to believe that Lanfear was more than a few % points above Nynaeve.
You also consistently ignore RJs comments on Bell Curve distribution. Which is a whole other ball of wax I won't engage in here.
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This message last edited by darius_sedai on 04/06/2010 at 03:30:37 PM
Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM
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I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM
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Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength
- 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM
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Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months)
- 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM
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We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster...
- 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM
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again with the interpretive quoting
- 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM
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Individual interpretation is all we've got really
- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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Consider this...
- 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM
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You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads
- 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM
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Not my fault if the books prove you wrong
- 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM
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I'm denying that you have a clue
- 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case.
- 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM
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then Nynaeve is the Creator
- 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM
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Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point..
- 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM
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The books disagree with this
- 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM
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Right, NOW we're getting somewhere...
- 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM
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You are hilarious
- 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM
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Close the door on your way out...
- 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM
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no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM*
- 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM
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Re: agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though
- 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM
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No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR...
- 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM
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Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM*
- 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM
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The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger.
- 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM
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nope
- 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM
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Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM
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I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM
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If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters...
- 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM
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Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM
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Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river?
- 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM
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Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM*
- 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM
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Remember gatways
- 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM
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I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object
- 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM
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I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges.
- 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM
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I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience.
- 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM
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Strength is a touchy word in this case...
- 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM
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