You are beginning to look at the bigger picture. I like that.
The problem is that individual quotes are often shown to contradict one another, because of various reasons:
1. RJ refined the One Power system as he went along
2. RJ changed his mind as he went along
3. RJ apparently didn't always do these kind of calculations each time he wrote a scene
4. If RJ only wrote down his list, and not the actual magnitude of strength, as well as the detailed rules of how strengths combine to produce a shield, then it is HIGHLY likely that Brandon Sanderson does NOT know the exact proporational difference in strength between channelers, and is relying only on the 21 level list. That means that he would not know whether two or three sisters would be needed to shield a channeler.
Heck RJ contradicted himself on Amys's strength, therefore we don't know how strong Egwene actually is compared to Moiraine.
But we do know the general picture.
The bonfire vs. Candle comparison, no matter how you interpret it, indicates that there is a very large gap between Egwene and Nynaeve.
RJ's broad comment about the "one step up from modern Aes Sedai to Egwene, and another step up from Egwene to Forsaken" indicates quite clearly the general strength relationship he had in mind.
What we DO know, is that Rand can break free from 3 Aes Sedai. It seems likely from the Logain shielding example that if Rand was not in a physically weakened state after his torture and confinement in the box, that he could most likely break free from 5 Aes Sedai.
And to break free from a shield held by 3, he has to be MUCH stronger than 3 Aes Sedai. And I'm talking about EFFECTIVE strength, here.
Meaning that if Rand is able to break free from 3, then Lanfear should be able to come close to duplicating the feat, seeing as the strongest possible woman should be able to duplicate pretty much anything that the strongest possible man can do.
So Lanfear's EFFECTIVE strength must exceed that of 3 Aes Sedai by a significant margin. Since we are talking an all female situation here, it means dexterity can be ignored. Therefore, Lanfear's BRUTE strength must significantly exceed that of 3 Aes Sedai.
Which ties in perfectly with my comment that Lanfear should be as strong as 4 strong Aes Sedai, and therefore close to twice as strong as Egwene.
The problem is that individual quotes are often shown to contradict one another, because of various reasons:
1. RJ refined the One Power system as he went along
2. RJ changed his mind as he went along
3. RJ apparently didn't always do these kind of calculations each time he wrote a scene
4. If RJ only wrote down his list, and not the actual magnitude of strength, as well as the detailed rules of how strengths combine to produce a shield, then it is HIGHLY likely that Brandon Sanderson does NOT know the exact proporational difference in strength between channelers, and is relying only on the 21 level list. That means that he would not know whether two or three sisters would be needed to shield a channeler.
Heck RJ contradicted himself on Amys's strength, therefore we don't know how strong Egwene actually is compared to Moiraine.
But we do know the general picture.
The bonfire vs. Candle comparison, no matter how you interpret it, indicates that there is a very large gap between Egwene and Nynaeve.
RJ's broad comment about the "one step up from modern Aes Sedai to Egwene, and another step up from Egwene to Forsaken" indicates quite clearly the general strength relationship he had in mind.
What we DO know, is that Rand can break free from 3 Aes Sedai. It seems likely from the Logain shielding example that if Rand was not in a physically weakened state after his torture and confinement in the box, that he could most likely break free from 5 Aes Sedai.
And to break free from a shield held by 3, he has to be MUCH stronger than 3 Aes Sedai. And I'm talking about EFFECTIVE strength, here.
Meaning that if Rand is able to break free from 3, then Lanfear should be able to come close to duplicating the feat, seeing as the strongest possible woman should be able to duplicate pretty much anything that the strongest possible man can do.
So Lanfear's EFFECTIVE strength must exceed that of 3 Aes Sedai by a significant margin. Since we are talking an all female situation here, it means dexterity can be ignored. Therefore, Lanfear's BRUTE strength must significantly exceed that of 3 Aes Sedai.
Which ties in perfectly with my comment that Lanfear should be as strong as 4 strong Aes Sedai, and therefore close to twice as strong as Egwene.
Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM
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I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM
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Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength
- 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM
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Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months)
- 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM
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We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster...
- 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM
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again with the interpretive quoting
- 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM
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Individual interpretation is all we've got really
- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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Consider this...
- 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM
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You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads
- 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM
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Not my fault if the books prove you wrong
- 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM
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I'm denying that you have a clue
- 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case.
- 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM
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then Nynaeve is the Creator
- 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM
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Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point..
- 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM
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The books disagree with this
- 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM
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Right, NOW we're getting somewhere...
- 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM
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You are hilarious
- 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM
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Close the door on your way out...
- 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM
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no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM*
- 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM
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Re: agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though
- 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM
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No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR...
- 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM
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Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM*
- 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM
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The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger.
- 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM
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nope
- 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM
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Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM
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I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM
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If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters...
- 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM
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Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM
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Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river?
- 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM
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Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM*
- 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM
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- 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM
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Remember gatways
- 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM
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I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object
- 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM
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I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges.
- 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM
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I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience.
- 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM
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Strength is a touchy word in this case...
- 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM
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