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Cannoli misses the point. The Forsaken are all villains. It is the Dark One that is the true evil RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 19/07/2010 04:01:34 PM
Cannoli's bluntness is refreshing, as usual.


Those are two separate roles, and his answer misses the point,.

Most of the protagonists never have a moment where they consider rejecting good and embracing evil - this storyline has been Rands' own character arc in the last few books, and even then, it never really explored the possibility that he was conflicted about his choice. Egwene, Mat, Perrin and Nynaeve all have grown, but have never veered off the path of the hero.

Petty, spoiled whiners can become villains precisely because of what they are trying to achieve. A cursory glance at any history book can show you that. It is the petty character flaws that drove them to commit their greatest acts of barbarism, and made them turn into villains. Sure they can be Reborn and perhaps start anew, but the point is that the roles they occupy are as a rogues' gallery and villains/villainesses. No one is saying that they occupy the position as the ultimate evil - we are discussing that they fail to elicit the sense of threat that RJ has said he wants us to believe they represent. RJ had a Q&A where he was surprised that readers thought the Darkside was not doing too well and he had to describe the situation as the Light being on its' last legs in a boxing match.
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RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. - 15/07/2010 10:10:16 PM 1302 Views
Re: RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. - 16/07/2010 03:01:30 AM 755 Views
Ehhh that's a cop-out. And not even totally accurate. - 16/07/2010 08:27:19 AM 598 Views
My view exactly. - 16/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 605 Views
I agree. *NM* - 16/07/2010 09:33:59 AM 189 Views
Yes, basically. - 16/07/2010 01:36:13 PM 532 Views
The Forsaken are not THE villain(s), they are cannon fodder! - 19/07/2010 04:16:04 AM 654 Views
And that's why they're crappy villains - 19/07/2010 07:24:05 AM 452 Views
Cannoli misses the point. The Forsaken are all villains. It is the Dark One that is the true evil - 19/07/2010 04:01:34 PM 551 Views
The Forsaken are henchmen. Like the eels in The Little Mermaid or the hyenas in The Lion King - 20/07/2010 03:14:37 AM 556 Views
Absolutely correct, but you miss the point. - 20/07/2010 02:48:22 PM 436 Views
Exactly. - 20/07/2010 04:08:22 PM 387 Views
My point is simply that you are mistaking their place in the hierarchy - 20/07/2010 11:46:52 PM 493 Views
No, I'm not. And you just proved that you missed the point. - 21/07/2010 03:10:04 PM 413 Views
No - 19/07/2010 08:01:03 PM 464 Views
I'll call your "no" and raise you a "WTH?" - 19/07/2010 08:44:19 PM 437 Views
I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF - 19/07/2010 09:24:04 PM 506 Views
Re: I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF - 20/07/2010 02:44:22 AM 552 Views

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