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I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/07/2010 09:24:04 PM

The villains are the Forsaken. If you're going to name the Dark One as the villain, then the Creator is the protagonist. These two gods use proxies to destroy/maintain the Wheel.

It's Rand vs the Forsaken, or the Creator vs the Dark One... you can't mix them.


Unless you're suggesting that the Creator is going to show up at the end to duel the DO while Rand merely faces off against Moridin et al, then your post makes no sense. It defies all common understanding of the Dragon's role and purpose in both the world and the story.

The Forsaken are pawns. They are not the main antogonists. RJ made a point of not fully developing them as characters. We get just enough of their POVs to provide necessary plot-related insight, but as opponents they rate only slightly higher than characters like Jaichim Carridin.




The Dragon's not destined to fight the DO, he's destined to seal him away. There is no way a mortal man can defeat the DO. Just being in the DO's presence makes strong men scream, and the last time the Dragon challenged the DO he was instantly driven insane.

When the Dragon has defeated the Shadow's pawns he'll be able to seal the DO away unabated. The Dragon is the Creator's pawn. The Forsaken are the DO's. Neither of the deities may enter the fight. The Creator says so in the first book.
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RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. Narg - 15/07/2010 10:10:16 PM 1302 Views
Re: RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. scooter - 16/07/2010 03:01:30 AM 755 Views
Ehhh that's a cop-out. And not even totally accurate. beetnemesis - 16/07/2010 08:27:19 AM 598 Views
My view exactly. Shannow - 16/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 604 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:33:59 AM 188 Views
Yes, basically. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/07/2010 01:36:13 PM 531 Views
The Forsaken are not THE villain(s), they are cannon fodder! Cannoli - 19/07/2010 04:16:04 AM 653 Views
And that's why they're crappy villains orius - 19/07/2010 07:24:05 AM 452 Views
Cannoli misses the point. The Forsaken are all villains. It is the Dark One that is the true evil RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/07/2010 04:01:34 PM 550 Views
The Forsaken are henchmen. Like the eels in The Little Mermaid or the hyenas in The Lion King Cannoli - 20/07/2010 03:14:37 AM 555 Views
Absolutely correct, but you miss the point. Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:48:22 PM 435 Views
Exactly. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 04:08:22 PM 386 Views
My point is simply that you are mistaking their place in the hierarchy Cannoli - 20/07/2010 11:46:52 PM 493 Views
No, I'm not. And you just proved that you missed the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/07/2010 03:10:04 PM 412 Views
No Sidious - 19/07/2010 08:01:03 PM 463 Views
I'll call your "no" and raise you a "WTH?" Nameless Ashaman - 19/07/2010 08:44:19 PM 436 Views
I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Sidious - 19/07/2010 09:24:04 PM 506 Views
Re: I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Cannoli - 20/07/2010 02:44:22 AM 551 Views
The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Cannoli - 20/07/2010 02:35:48 AM 548 Views
Amen and Amen scooter - 21/07/2010 03:40:11 AM 516 Views
Re: The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Sidious - 21/07/2010 05:29:51 AM 475 Views
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