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Re: Perhaps they would die? Lordling Send a noteboard - 04/08/2010 07:14:24 PM
I fear you are incorrect. If what you say was the case, then AS damane that the sul'dam tried to use as weapons would have died from the conflict. We know this is not the case. The AS are unharmed, but they simply cannot be used for that purpose. The a'dam works primarily through pain and torture breaking the victim. The oath rod however somehow implants the command directly to the mind through somekind of super-compulsion, making it far stronger.

Naah, don't fear. I suppose you did hit the flaw in my idea. The sul'dam held Aes Sedai might have been able to form the killing weaves, but they wouldn't have been able to use them on a person no matter how much the sul'dam forced them and the weaves.
But the Oath Rod isn't an all powerful tool, it has limits. The oath Brett suggested is pretty specific. That might make for a different outcome.

The oath rods is more powerfull than the a'dam basically. It cannot be broken by the sul'dam. Even after the damane has been utterly broken by the torture, the oaths still stand.

I wonder if Semirhage ever tried this? She would have found it interesting.. Off-topic.

I think a better oath would be to make an oath about not channeling at all while collared. Or perhaps an oath not to aid the Seanchan in any way, period. That way it would not matter if the Seanchan broke you, the oaths would still stand and the moment the AS tried to do anything, whether channel or reveal some secret information, the oaths would kick in and stop her.

But if you then accidentally and unknowingly aided the Seanchan and realized it afterwards you have managed to break on oath. What happens?

This would ofcourse mean that the Seanchan would quickly abandon all efforts to capture AS, and just start killing them outright. But it would mean that any weaves discovered by the AS would remain secret, and that the Seanchan could not replenish their damane numbers with AS prisoners.

Yeah
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they can't Foxhead - 04/08/2010 12:54:46 AM 1160 Views
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read the oaths again darius_sedai - 04/08/2010 08:15:24 PM 1104 Views
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Re: read the oaths again darius_sedai - 05/08/2010 05:52:08 PM 1107 Views
I don't think #1 is as simple as you say. Gher - 04/08/2010 02:22:25 AM 1077 Views
What kind of advantage is it, anyway? Fanatic-Templar - 04/08/2010 03:43:40 AM 1044 Views
Re: What kind of advantage is it, anyway? DomA - 04/08/2010 11:16:03 AM 1045 Views
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Egwene had novices teach it to Adelorna... fionwe1987 - 04/08/2010 07:10:42 AM 1108 Views
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I think the BT would wipe the floor with the damane on their home turf darius_sedai - 05/08/2010 08:19:38 PM 1013 Views
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Whoa whoa whoa! Nameless Ashaman - 06/08/2010 03:07:34 AM 1044 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 06/08/2010 05:37:46 PM 1107 Views
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Are you kidding? darius_sedai - 06/08/2010 11:49:42 PM 1091 Views
I actually think the opposite: the damane would wipe the floor with the BT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/08/2010 11:27:21 PM 1064 Views
Umm... Dumai's wells? Nameless Ashaman - 14/08/2010 04:15:59 AM 1002 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 14/08/2010 02:39:30 PM 1072 Views
I don't think that's the case darius_sedai - 05/08/2010 08:02:27 PM 1180 Views
My thoughts on the damane... Great Lord of Chaos - 05/08/2010 04:11:35 AM 1044 Views
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How exactly would Egwene learn where the Damane are kept? darius_sedai - 05/08/2010 07:57:55 PM 1306 Views
Interrogate the Damane. Great Lord of Chaos - 05/08/2010 10:32:17 PM 934 Views
unlikely that she would go there darius_sedai - 06/08/2010 05:37:18 PM 1049 Views
Re: unlikely that she would go there Datakim - 06/08/2010 07:47:41 PM 989 Views
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