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Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman Send a noteboard - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
Arrogant, greedy, ambitious, and intolerant, yes. But that doesn't make him a DF.

He was also little more than a puppet for Sevanna to control. And we've seen little indication that she was a DF.



Personally, I find it unlikely that he was sworn to the Shadow. He was just a none-too-bright Aiel warrior with enough political influence that Asmodean decided to use him to throw a wrench into Rand's plans.


What do we really know?

Couladin agreed to let Asmodean put the fake dragon markings on his arms in a bid for power. He may not have known who Asmo really was (in fact, I highly doubt it), but he had to believe he was dealing with a male channeler with all that implies. He must at the very least have suspected he was dealing with DF's.

But we really have no way of knowing how much Couladin knew or didn't know. We also have have no way of knowing how much of what he did was his own plans and how much was Sevanna's, or Asmodean's, or Lanfear's. He was at least partially a puppet, definitely.

There's nothing conclusive. Personally I'm 50/50 on whether or not he was an actual DF.
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Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM 1892 Views
it's been discussed a lot Deadsy - 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM 1334 Views
Really? All the questions it poses? malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM 1125 Views
Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM* malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM 439 Views
see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM* Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM 446 Views
Re: Really? All the questions it poses? NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM 1138 Views
not really darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM 1053 Views
Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM 971 Views
That's how I see it too darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 03:50:19 PM 937 Views
As demonstrated in TGS... Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM 958 Views
We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM 944 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM 962 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM 959 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Ryan - 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM 827 Views
I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM 951 Views
Oh Deadsy newyorkersedai - 13/08/2010 05:18:32 AM 925 Views
Both Bair and Sorilea knew The Angry Druid - 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 977 Views
Fallacy of logic NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 10:58:49 PM 931 Views
Re: Fallacy of logic Datakim - 12/08/2010 11:07:19 PM 826 Views
Disagree NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:44:41 AM 966 Views
I think it was Sorilea. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:09:28 PM 1004 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM 1168 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM 1468 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM 1263 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM 967 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM 1065 Views
Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM 1105 Views
Re: Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? Datakim - 12/08/2010 09:12:35 PM 885 Views
Cadsuane purposely framed, not a mistake malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:51:43 PM 1061 Views
Regarding Aiel DFs Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 11:38:48 PM 986 Views
Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM 888 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea malekithe - 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 851 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM 910 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea Datakim - 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM 946 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 04:31:24 AM 927 Views
Oh yes.. Cadsuane was so so careful..NOT malekithe - 17/08/2010 06:42:49 AM 849 Views
Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves malekithe - 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM 843 Views
Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves NaClH2O - 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM 769 Views
I think that Couladin was a dark friend. krassos - 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM 1353 Views
I'd be surprised, actually. Gher - 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM 875 Views
Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM 922 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM 1090 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean krassos - 14/08/2010 05:49:00 PM 924 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 17/08/2010 04:07:50 AM 824 Views
Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic. krassos - 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM 862 Views
Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM* Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM 419 Views
If someone entered their land. krassos - 15/08/2010 02:28:31 PM 887 Views
Well yeah. Gher - 17/08/2010 03:55:15 AM 873 Views
Re: The missing Choeden Kal... malekithe - 15/08/2010 07:47:40 AM 848 Views
She could have been ordered to leave it there. Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:04:38 PM 808 Views
Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO) RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM 996 Views
*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM 396 Views
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