There is a vast difference between the two.
The man is clearly a sociopath. He lies and kills on a whim, for pleasure even, and he breaks some of his people's deepest social mores and laws. Of disregarding common human decency.
The man is clearly a sociopath. He lies and kills on a whim, for pleasure even, and he breaks some of his people's deepest social mores and laws. Of disregarding common human decency.
IMO, it's because he thought he could. He was the Car'a'carn. He was supposed to break the Aiel. Custom stopped mattering to him. And since all the Aiel we ever meet are contemptuous of wetlanders to a certain extent, he doesn't have to be too much of an extremist to turn into such a monster.
The Wise Ones deemed him unfit for leadership, yes, but they didn't call for him to be executed or punished, and there was a lot of support for him to be sent to Rhuidean. That implies that he didn't break too many Aiel customs or laws while he was a warrior. After he thought he was the Chief of chiefs, he did whatever he wanted because he could (and likely thought he should).
Somehow he was tipped to talk to Asmodean about adding the Dragons to his wrists. That means that he has contacts in the Shadow. He's willing to deal with someone who is clearly a Dreadlord without flinching.
That implies some serious ties to the Shadow to me.
That implies some serious ties to the Shadow to me.
No, as I pointed out, he could have been approached by Asmo in a dream. Or Asmo could have used Illusion and whatever else to appear before him like a glorious ancestor and "bless" him. There are many ways for Asmo to give Couladin the dragons without Couladin ever suspecting the work of a male channeler. Couladin never struck me as all that bright anyway.
And for another thing, if Couladin is a Darkfriend, then that would almost have to mean Sevanna was a Darkfriend, and I don't think she is either.
I'm not saying he was a good person, or misunderstood, or a puppet of more powerful players. He was a very evil person. But I don't think he was a Darkfriend.
And, I will note that it has been quite a while since I read the first few books of the series. My memory could be mistaken. But I can't remember anyone ever mentioning how Couladin got his dragons, other than that Asmo was responsible.
"And it breaks my heart to look around, and see the unimpressed; who can't believe the emperor is dressed"~Fastball
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This message last edited by Gher on 17/08/2010 at 03:57:43 AM
Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM
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it's been discussed a lot
- 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM
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Really? All the questions it poses?
- 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM
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Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM
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see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM*
- 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM
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Re: Really? All the questions it poses?
- 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM
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not really
- 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM
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Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza
- 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM
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As demonstrated in TGS...
- 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM
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We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave
- 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM
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I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions
- 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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- 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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Both Bair and Sorilea knew
- 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM
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Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand?
- 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM
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Can't be Sorilea
- 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM
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Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
- 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM
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Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
- 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM
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I think that Couladin was a dark friend.
- 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM
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I'd be surprised, actually.
- 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM
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Couladin and Asmodean
- 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
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Re: Couladin and Asmodean
- 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM
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Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic.
- 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM
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Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM*
- 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM
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Well yeah.
- 17/08/2010 03:55:15 AM
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Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO)
- 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM
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*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM*
- 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM
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