My first irrational thoughts are, (1) OMG Aviendha & Rand's bloodline can't end like that! The last girl, the one she sees first, being stabbed in the back trying to eat dirt-encrusted fat at just 18, presumably without having children. (2) OMG The Aiel are going to forget Ji'e'Toh and and their roots the same way the Aiel first forgot the Way of the Leaf, and Avi is as horrified at that as one of the Da'shain would have been if they'd forseen their transformation into warriors. (3) OMG, NO! Elayne's grandkids and Avi's grandkinds need to LOVE eachother! (4) OMG What if Avi decides that the best way to avoid this future is to not marry or have kids with Rand?
Too late. Min has seen it, and it was not an "if" viewing. The only way to avert her certain viewings is to let the Dark One win. As bad as Aviendha's future is for the Aiel, try to remember that the civilized people seem fairly prosperous.OK, had to get those out of there so I could go on to deeper thinking.
We are to assume from this that the Seanchan are going to take over the rest of the world, specifically after the death of Tuon who was said to have at least been somewhat reasonable. If Tuon, just now 20, is dead by the time the next generation is about the same age, then she did not die of natural causes and was likely assassinated. No mention here of Mat...
It can't be all that far because Bruan, who is a middle-aged man now, is still alive when they decide on war with the Seanchan. So yeah.We are to assume from this that the Seanchan are going to take over the rest of the world, specifically after the death of Tuon who was said to have at least been somewhat reasonable. If Tuon, just now 20, is dead by the time the next generation is about the same age, then she did not die of natural causes and was likely assassinated. No mention here of Mat...
Aviendha's children will set the Aiel on the path of disaster by deciding that the Aiel have been too long at peace, and that the Seanchan are the logical people to wage war against. Then Avi's grandchildren doom them all (and Andor as well) by tricking Elayne's granddaughter into believing the Seanchan are going to attack her realm. Aviendha's descendents alone are going to doom not only the Aiel, but the rest of the known world!!!
What can she do about this? The 2 most obvious answers are not to have any descendants, or to make sure to tell those descendants exactly what the outcome would be of actions like these and caution the kids against them. The third and less obvious answer is to go to Rand with her new knowledge and convince him that to ensure the safety of her people, his people, he cannot go to TG without settling the Seanchan once and for all.
Or they can do a decent job of raising their kids and stay alive for them. Look at how Rand's daughter seems to have no personal memory of him, and there is little discussion of their personalities. These kids seem to have grown up not knowing their parents. As with the Tuon issue you cite above, that's way too early for natural causes. If Rhuarc's kid can remember Rand's visit to Cold Rocks hold (Rand was 20 & Aviendha 18 or 19) and is only 10 years older than the PoV daughter, Rand & Aviendha will be in their mid-20s at the latest when their quadruplets are born. Considering their natural life expectancy is over 500 years, they have almost CERTAINLY come to a tragic end. IMO, that is more troubling than a bunch of jerks getting what's coming to them. What can she do about this? The 2 most obvious answers are not to have any descendants, or to make sure to tell those descendants exactly what the outcome would be of actions like these and caution the kids against them. The third and less obvious answer is to go to Rand with her new knowledge and convince him that to ensure the safety of her people, his people, he cannot go to TG without settling the Seanchan once and for all.
These visions imply that Rand will kneel to Tuon at some point, fulfilling the Seanchan prophecy that everyone assumes (or knows?) was just added by Luthair to make his empire sound like it was important and would last throughout the centuries until the LB. Interesting implication there.
Setting aside the prophecy (until I see proof in the text, I will assume it is as valid as "our" Karaethon cycle), the events of the books all but assure this. Tuon deliberately refrained from proclaiming herself Empress in order to meet the Dragon Reborn, because no one can be equal to the Empress, according to their cultures and tradition. As Daughter of the Nine Moons, she could meet him as an equal. Once that meeting went in the crapper, she proclaimed herself, and now she can never meet Rand on an equal footing. If Rand is going to change Tuon's mind and get her on his side, he'll HAVE to bow to her. On the other hand, given the things that are happening with him now, I doubt she'll be able to subject him to too much.How cool/wierd is it that Rand and Avi's children can all channel from too young an age, and don't have to consciously embrace/seize the power? What's up with that?
Maybe that was "something odd"? I wonder if, now that Rhuidean's ter'angreal has been re-purposed, the other Aiel Wise Ones will return to Rhuidean for the third time, and learn the future of their people. If I were a WO and Aviendha returned and told me all of THAT, I would be like, "Well, come on gals, looks like we're Traveling to Rhuidean. I need to see this for myself!"
Nope, she broke it.And where is Rand in all this? Avi's daughter thought of him in terms that seemed familiar, not how someone would think about a father never met, but at the same time it seems implied that he is no longer around, and has not been for some time. Seems like it would have to be one or the other, since Tarmon Gaidon is about to start and Avi isn't even pregnant yet. Are they trying to imply that Rand will survive the LB, but will not live beyond a few years after?
Apparently. See above.And the biggest question that I know everyone asked themselves after reading this, Is this the definite future, can it be changed, or was it just one possible outcome? The worst possible outcome that has to be avoided at all costs?
I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter, since I can't seem to organize mine!
I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter, since I can't seem to organize mine!
Almost certainly changable.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Aviendha (spoilers)
- 08/11/2010 11:20:33 PM
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A possible future
- 08/11/2010 11:49:24 PM
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There is a line in the book that makes me think it's more than possible.
- 09/11/2010 08:21:37 AM
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I know its a looonnng shot but I always liked the idea of the Aiel going back to the way of the leaf *NM*
- 09/11/2010 01:25:31 AM
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Re: I know its a looonnng shot but ... the Aiel are going back to the way of the leaf
- 09/11/2010 08:31:13 PM
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and I think there needs to be some sort of reunion between the Aiel and Tinkers.
- 09/11/2010 09:59:33 PM
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That's nice, but how does it ensure the Seanchan aren't a threat? *NM*
- 09/11/2010 10:55:54 PM
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Re: Aviendha (spoilers)
- 09/11/2010 01:47:20 AM
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Re: Aviendha (spoilers)
- 10/11/2010 06:27:03 PM
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Even if it couldn't show her anything, it should still be "alive" with the Power. *NM*
- 10/11/2010 06:49:09 PM
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I don't think it's the future. Aviendha's character had no purpose until now
- 09/11/2010 03:00:44 AM
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