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Whats with all the nice talk? Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/09/2011 06:02:32 PM
I don't think there's much to say about Egwene, which is one of the reasons the board is so quiet these days. Once you've single-handedly destroyed the Black Ajah, there's really not much more to say. Its like when a beautiful flower blossoms... attacking it and saying that its an ugly flower doesn't really get much attention, just funny looks.

That Sanderson went and Mary Sue-d Egwene?


She was a Mary Sue long before Sanderson took over. Other characters have always been bent to fit around the image of her supposed greatness, behaving so out of character that it was almost laughable. And throw in the fact that Sanderson himself said that RJ wrote Egwene in tGS (which was nothing but a Mary Sue story of, "I can take spankings and still stubbornly insist that I should rule the world and everyone here is too stupid and incompetent to actually put my in my place";), then I hardly think it can be put on Brandon's head.

Now, admittedly, he has bought into RJ's mantra of "EGWENE IS GOD!! BOW DOWN!!" and repeated the typical equation that everyone is stupider in her presence and thinks that her farts smell like roses, but the man is working with what he was given. He couldn't very well go against RJ's wishes and have someone smack her down like she deserves when he has Harriett breathing down his neck and RJ's notes dictate how her story must proceed (also, doesn't it say something that RJ busted ass to get Egwene's sections down in tGS but didn't give a rat's ass about Rand and left if all for Brandon?).

I guess the funny part to me is that people were suddenly declaring what an obnoxious bitch she was in ToM, as though she were somehow behaving any differently than she had the entire series. Her fans, of course, think she's perfect and awesome and excuse every single bitch move she's made, but those who were sitting the fence were clearly twisting her past actions to excuse her as well since that's clearly what RJ wanted readers to do. Once Sanderson took over, however, it was easier for those on the fence to see what an atrocious character she really is...then blame it on Sanderson.

The thing is, though, she's the same in ToM as she has always been - she just now has the power she's always craved and is in the position to smite everyone in her path instead of just Nynaeve, Rand, and the morons who thought they could control her when they put her into power. Once a nasty, cold-hearted bitch who craps all over her friends, always a nasty, cold-hearted bitch who craps all over her friends.


You place so much emphasis on being a 'nice person', as if that would save the world, or defeat the Seanchan or defeat the Black Ajah. Its like all that matters... Egwene must be a nice person. Apart from me disagreeing with the fact that she's a bitch, its a flawed argument. If Egwene is a bitch, she's one of hundreds of bitches in the series. But put her next to Rand who was basically as evil as Ishamael for half the series, or Mat who was a coward and a womanizer, or Perrin who was torturer and murderer. But 'bitch' clearly outranks all of those. For instance, the atrocity of 'not visiting her parents'. Heaven forbid that was compared to her annihilation of Mesaana.
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