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POV trap... some of this is done on purpose. - Edit 1

Before modification by DomA at 09/01/2012 09:25:38 PM

In the early books, Moirane seems to say and do stuff that doesn't make sense in light of what we find out later. Some things, like saying men and women were equally strong in the Age of Legends, is obviously due to ignorance


Actually, from the AOL perspective, this is true. Men and women were equally strong if you calculated strength from what they could accomplish as channelers, not from the volumes of saidar/saidin they could control as otherwise the comparisons between men and women are totally off. On average, men can control far greater quantities of saidin than women can of saidar. However, women are able to accomplish more, and more precisely, with a smaller quantity of saidar when a man needs to use a greater amount of saidin to match what she does, so ultimately things are balanced out and if you look at channelers as a whole, the genders were equally strong, one better suited to some tasks, the one to others and so on. The current Aes Sedai judge strength based on the raw quantity of saidar a woman controls, so from that perspective Moiraine was indeed wrong: men control greater quantities of the One Power and Tower-standards, are thus "stronger" on average than women. But Moiraine was going by AOL comparisons from books and such, and wrongly applying them to the Tower system to judge strength, thus her confusion.

but how about things like saying that being able to touch the True Source gives her a certain protection against the Dark One, and that this protection extends a little bit around her.


She was specifically talking about powers of the Shadow over dreams. She meant the shield she placed on her dreams extended to protect those sleeping near her. Moiraine probably went with surviving scraps of book knowledge on this, as the AS no longer have any comprehensive books on this stuff and don't understand much about dreams, TAR and such, which explains why AS believe all sort of things, or do things like shielding their dreams, when as far as they know no one has the skills to invade them anymore (since Corianin and before the Forsaken and Egwene, anyway). How much the DO can use TAR is a complete unknown, and we don't know where Moiraine's knowledge comes from (studies on spirit shields, or scraps from the WOS... it's not impossible a basic shield on dreams is enough to protect from "global attacks" on the type Lanfear supposedly lead on large number of people (for a more specific attack, we know she's pretty good at breaking those shields), and that shields "bled" to protect people around a channeler. It may be from scraps like this AS "know" that being a channeler protects you and that protection touched those around you.

Unreliable knowledge is an important feature in WOT, and it's there on purpose (Jordan spoke of it as a main theme in the series a few times). There's no omniscient narrator, so most of the knowledge and facts in the series (as opposed to facts stated by Jordan in Q&A etc.) are not absolute. They just represent what each character believes/knows, and obviously some are more reliable than others.


in Illian, how does Moirane figure out that Lord Brend is Sammael?


We don't know, but a lot of readers have theorized she put it together based on her basic Tower knowledge about the Forsaken (Sammael has a scar, he's blond and short - and as we know he didn't use Mask of Mirrors, so it's how he looked as Lord Brend) and what she gathered from Loial. It sounds extremely likely she managed to get a look a Sammael, or to get a good physical description from someone who saw him. She was already almost convinced a Forsaken was in Illian, and could inquire about dreams, or listen to stories about those etc.


Also, she implies that Lan killed one of the Darkhounds, and that Sammael will conclude that a warder is in town. Why would Sammael do that? While generally badass, warders don't have magical powers, and any other equally badass person would be able to do whatever Lan did.


Again, this is from Moiraine's perspective, who sees warders the way AS does (and with hers who's perhaps the best of them all, she has good reasons to...). She has no idea that the Warder bond and the warder culture is something foreign to the Forsaken. She takes for granted all the AS know about the OP the Forsaken know. She also has very little understanding of how much the Forsaken know and don't know about the third age. From Moiraine's perspective, few in Illian know anything about DH, few who do would dare fight one and none would stand a chance to kill one but an AS or a warder, so she assumes Sammael has the knowledge to make the same reasonning. She also assumes (perhaps rightly if he had his wards in place, but it seems he put them in place after those events) that Sammael is aware it's not an AS who killed the DH.

In truth, what Sammael knew about warders at that point was probably fairly slim.



And how was Lan able to kill the Darkhound anyway? Rand couldn't with his flaming sword.


In Rhuidean? Those would not die by the normal means. Rand didn't know why and has theorized they may be a new kind (IMO, the DO can expand the power to control them directly, see what they see and all - and then they are near invicible short of balefire, but it's just a theory of mine. I think this is the source of the legend of the "Dark Hunt".).

It's with balefire Rand fought DH in TDR, IRRC. Perrin killed one with an arrow and some ta'veren luck most likely.

I assume Lan manages to kill one in Illian because he wasn't his prey, and managed to take it by surprise.

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