Early Moiraine sucks. Actually, pre-finn Moiraine sucks. We should really be hoping for a change.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 10/01/2012 12:42:22 AM
Moiraine was almost always wrong except on common sense issues for which the younger characters lacked the necessary knowledge to come to the correct conclusion. When you get right down to it, just about every plan she came up with was a variation on one of two elements "Run" or "Hide." Rand only gets really successful when he breaks away from her and goes off on his own.
Like most authority figures in the early series, or those whose tenure predated Winternight, she's a part of the System. The System is failing and falling apart. It runs a world that is threatened by dangerous foreign cultures and has no idea that it could be overrun any one of three different directions or how far from being able to right itself it is. The System is why mankind needs the Dragon Reborn to save it - they need someone who will completely shake up their society and civilization and destroy the System to free humanity in order to face the Dark One. Rand even hints in ToM that while he has an important part to play, humanity in general has to step up as well, and that he cannot do everything himself. His confrontation with Egwene is about manipulating events to put the general population in position to accept his changes and new order.
Moiraine is a part of that system, and it is entirely to her credit that when she surrenders and gives up everything to follow Rand, she is able to get some perspective on how flawed that system is, and even recognize her own attachment to it. She has been raised as a noblewoman and trained in the White Tower and has taken the social structure entirely to heart. While ironically she mentally chastises Siuan for being unable to accept the necessary destruction and hardships to come, she herself is just as guilty to a less degree. The difference is that Moiraine, having stepped partially out of the game to hunt Rand, is willing to write off a little bit more than Siuan, who has spent the last ten years seeing the world as something it is her responsibility and prerogative to arrange as she wishes.
From a narrative perspective, Moiraine is wrong so much because she is kind of the guide or spokesman for the world and society and the System, and all that has to change if Rand is going to win. He, like Mat against the Snakes and Foxes, can't win if he plays by the rules as they are set up. Unfortunately for Moiraine, she has lived her life relying on those rules, and thus her exposition and advice is framed in such a context, and shaped by her understanding of the same.
That's why she had to go.
Like most authority figures in the early series, or those whose tenure predated Winternight, she's a part of the System. The System is failing and falling apart. It runs a world that is threatened by dangerous foreign cultures and has no idea that it could be overrun any one of three different directions or how far from being able to right itself it is. The System is why mankind needs the Dragon Reborn to save it - they need someone who will completely shake up their society and civilization and destroy the System to free humanity in order to face the Dark One. Rand even hints in ToM that while he has an important part to play, humanity in general has to step up as well, and that he cannot do everything himself. His confrontation with Egwene is about manipulating events to put the general population in position to accept his changes and new order.
Moiraine is a part of that system, and it is entirely to her credit that when she surrenders and gives up everything to follow Rand, she is able to get some perspective on how flawed that system is, and even recognize her own attachment to it. She has been raised as a noblewoman and trained in the White Tower and has taken the social structure entirely to heart. While ironically she mentally chastises Siuan for being unable to accept the necessary destruction and hardships to come, she herself is just as guilty to a less degree. The difference is that Moiraine, having stepped partially out of the game to hunt Rand, is willing to write off a little bit more than Siuan, who has spent the last ten years seeing the world as something it is her responsibility and prerogative to arrange as she wishes.
From a narrative perspective, Moiraine is wrong so much because she is kind of the guide or spokesman for the world and society and the System, and all that has to change if Rand is going to win. He, like Mat against the Snakes and Foxes, can't win if he plays by the rules as they are set up. Unfortunately for Moiraine, she has lived her life relying on those rules, and thus her exposition and advice is framed in such a context, and shaped by her understanding of the same.
That's why she had to go.
Cannoli
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"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Early Moirane
09/01/2012 08:13:46 PM
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POV trap... some of this is done on purpose.
09/01/2012 09:19:33 PM
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think the most likely answer is that RJ hadn't yet ironed out all of the details concerning the OP *NM*
09/01/2012 11:31:41 PM
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But it makes much less sense - the greater strength of men in general has had negligible impact
10/01/2012 12:29:08 AM
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It's of more interest to fans than to anyone else (except, I guess, Aes Sedai).
11/01/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: think the most likely answer is that RJ hadn't yet ironed out all of the details...
10/01/2012 09:38:21 AM
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Re: POV trap... some of this is done on purpose.
11/01/2012 10:14:52 AM
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I love that scene, mainly because it made her think twice about glibly thinking he's crazy.
13/01/2012 07:05:28 PM
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Early Moiraine sucks. Actually, pre-finn Moiraine sucks. We should really be hoping for a change.
10/01/2012 12:42:22 AM
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I still think Moiraine's Illian plan for Rand was the most epic fail in the series
10/01/2012 04:55:16 PM
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Re: I still think Moiraine's Illian plan for Rand was the most epic fail in the series
11/01/2012 06:20:18 PM
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Personally, I think it has everything to do with the sparks and not the Power.
13/01/2012 06:53:48 PM
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Re: Personally, I think it has everything to do with the sparks and not the Power.
13/01/2012 08:23:31 PM
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Re: Personally, I think it has everything to do with the sparks and not the Power.
20/01/2012 10:22:26 PM
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Re: Personally, I think it has everything to do with the sparks and not the Power.
20/01/2012 11:58:06 PM
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