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Well, I'll defer to your opinion. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 11/02/2015 12:12:47 AM

Personally I found it atrocious, amateur-hour at its worst. Heck they did better TV than that in Eastern Europe back in the 80s. There's no adaptation - it's RJ's dialogue a bit dumbed-down

My experience with GoT puts the author's dialogue well ahead of anything a TV hack writer might choose to put in the characters' mouths. Tyrion and Theon referring to themselves as "your baby boy" to two of the most hard-ass fathers in the series, springs immediately to mind.
recited badly by actors who seemed wholly bored and not even trying to put their heart into it (not that either seem to have much acting mojo to begin with), the directing is terrible and the editing worse.

See, I am completely tone-deaf on all that stuff. I'd say it's pretty much the same with book writing. I only feel capable of commenting on other writers' takes on GRRM & RJ, because the extensive samples I have of the real authors' work that allows me to say "I don't know what's wrong with this, but it's not the same as the author I like, whose material is the only reason I'm reading/watching this hackery."

I guess "Legend of the Seeker", "Game of Thrones" and even "The Hobbit" have trained me to have a much lower bar for TV adaptations. I would hasten to add that I don't even like Goodkind's writing, probably preferring Sanderson's prose, and finding many of the same dialogue issues. But "Legend of the Seeker" still made him seem better by comparison.


They approached both characters wrong.

IDK, I never really put much into LTT's characterization, and I thought the interpretation of Ishamael as smug might have been valid. When you're reading the scene, the knowledge that this guy is apparently a spokesman for a pure Evil entity made his villainy clear. The way I imagined Ishamael talking to LTT was that of a sincere believer who expected to finally find a receptive audience, or at least someone he could finally approach with confidence that he had been proven right. Without the black-and-white statement of who was good and bad in that scene, such a performance might have confused the audience into thinking Zane's character was a good guy trying to talk some sense into a crazy friend. Playing him as a smug douchebag, I thought, made him seem like most contemporary portrayals of demonic tempters, or manifestations of Satan, who try to get the signature on the evil parchment.


There was no dramatic tension, it's diluted way beyond that (a shame considering even those who think RJ a bad writer credit him highly for this dramatic prologue), no rhythm to the scene, and I'm sure non readers would have been confused as hell by the half-baked directorial tricks they chose to portray the fact LTT is insane.

I understand the director died.
In the hands of a good scriptwriter and director, this prologue ought to have packed a punch, in no more than a third of this turd's length.

See, I have absolutely no knowledge or insight into this stuff, so I can't even imagine a better way to do this stuff.
I still think it's a bad idea on the whole to adapt WOT for television, given it's basically a Fantasy soap opera (in the vein of the "Space Opera" derivative) and given the means that would be required to pull it off as such it's bound to be cheap and terrible or else the characters and story and tone will be completely denatured in a condensed version. Some books are meant to stay books. The only way a decent audio-visual adaptation of WOT is even thinkable, IMO, is as an animated series. That said, if this still surfaces one day, I sure hope it won't be by REE who after the fiasco of the comics are proving again they're completely inept.
Indeed. Although, I heard somewhere that animation is as expensive as live action special effects. I think it was an online discussion of an inferior adaptation of another genre work, where someone asked the original author if an animated series would be better, and he said that it had been discussed and it would have been just as expensive as the proper special effects.
PS: I'm sure they altered the ending because that's just a stunt to keep the rights and they didn't want to waste too much on that (I mean, I'd evaluate there's about 2h worth of work to replicate the cheap visual FX they used. In a day's work I could have done it ten times better), but I don't agree it should be changed. It's meant to be confusing/intriguing or otherwise it's missing its point. It has to present LTT as a human and good man (but not as this adaptation overdid)
I did notice that. But my impression of Sanderson's interpretation of LTT was something of a weenie as well. Since the only real description of his personality was Moghedian's throwaway line in tGS, I get the feeling Sanderson might have taken the "piety and goodness" bit too literally.
to spread doubt, but it's also to establish LTT's destructive power, in fact with the creation of the mountain RJ managed to elevate this event of LTT's suicide to a mythical status right off the bat. We have to get something to understand why LTT became seen as monstrous. The kinslaying gives us the horror, but it's his death that clues us how dangerous men like him can get. I think in the context of a TV show, at least it's what I might propose if my team was asked to develop the opening credits for a story like this, the creation of Dragonmount and TV, after occuring in the prologue to the series, would also be the first images of the opening credits,leading to a 30-40 sec. epic depiction of the Breaking of the World.. mountains falling, seas drying, shadowspawn, planes falling, hordes of refugees. Madmen, Aes Sedai, the end of technology, Then the building of new cities, rulers and common folk, Artur Hawkwing and a shot of some powerful Amyrlin (Bonwhin), armies etc. - a final lead into the more orderly world of the New Era ending on a panoramic shot of the modern Tar Valon, and then pan to the shadow Dragonmount cast near it. It doesn't matter the opening isn't fully understood the first time around - the story of LTT and the Breaking resurfaces very soon and all will be clear.
Well, that sounds cool as all get out. Thanks for the mental equivalent of a cock-tease!
The prologue as RJ wrote it also helped to introduce Moiraine as something to be wary of. That prologue achieved about none of these goals.

Yeah. Damnit. "Why brought ye us from bondage?/Our 'loved Egyptian night?"

Cannoli
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