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Bull! Cannoli Send a noteboard - 28/10/2009 02:32:33 AM

Most of you have not read the book yet. But when you do you will see a woman that has gone to the wall for the good of the world, the sacrifices that Egwene and others make to cleanse the tower and make it whole cannot be discounted by anyone that have even a shred of objectiveness in them. The Gandhi like courage that Egwene shows in her fight for the heart and soul of the Tower that she cannot be bent,

Gandhi was an ass & something of a pervert, who ceded the moral superiority to his adversaries by admitting that they were NOT evil and appealing to their better natures. Egwene's tactic was purely passive-aggressive behavior intended to make herself look like the vicitm, in a situation where her choices were severely constrained. She held on for the sole chance she had of getting more power. If she had taken easier paths, she would have ended up with significantly less power. She took risks and endangered all that she sought to save because she stood to make enormous gains by it.

and she cannot be bowed. And the wrath, organization and righteous vengeance that she shows when she almost takes on the entire the entire Seanchan attack force while drugged with Fork root with nothing but the novices for support can only be admired.

SHE FINALLY FIGHTS!! Whoop de do. She FINALLY does what EVERY significant character does, when they come after her, with plenty of forwarning. She was only drugged with forkroot, because she was trying to manipulate her guards. If she had not been so eager to impress people and make Elaida look bad, she could have had a pair of full sisters and NO drug-impairment.

Do not discount the Inn keeper’s daughter, because she DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Yeah... she made the Seanchan's profit slightly less... She didn't stop them or foil their plan (not that she could have been expected to), she merely awed a pack of admitted incompetants in a fight while praising herself to the skies.

At the end of this book she has united and cleansed the tower of the Black Ajah and now has them preparing to meet their Ji’e’toh to the world and more importantly to Rand.

SHE has done NONE of that! VERIN was SOLELY responsible.

But Egwene knew what to do with those names that were provided.

THIS is praise-worthy?!?!? She did NOT fart around and TOTALLY screw up, and you are praising her? This is like praising her for coming in out of the rain after lightning strikes the people standing next to her!!!

There was no dancing around, there was no hand washing, there was no “Moghedien part II” escapes for them.

Because there was no gain for Egwene in keeping them around. Verin had eliminated any potential gain or incentive to keep them for questioning by compiling her dossier. She let the majority of them slip through her fingers, though.

Egwene stilled them, and executed them. She was hardened by her time spent with the Aiel. She did not blink, she sent them to meet the Headsman.

If she needed ANY special training to do the bare minimum right in this case, she has far more serious problems than even I have attributed to her. This was nothing special - it was what she SHOULD have done!

What Egwene did, had to be done. And without the Aes Sedai whole, cleansed and behind him, Rand cannot win the final battle. Without Egwene; Rand cannot win.

Prove it.

Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!

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An open letter to Cannoli and the rest of the “Aegwenist’s" The Gathering Storm "SPOILERS" LTArmstrong - 22/10/2009 07:26:45 PM 3742 Views

Shit... ViolentKai - 22/10/2009 07:47:37 PM 1478 Views

OMG Team Aan'allein - 22/10/2009 07:49:25 PM 1402 Views

ROFL! *NM* ViolentKai - 22/10/2009 07:55:07 PM 711 Views

Well... this is a low blow, but funny. He can't reply if it has spoilers, can he?

*NM* Deadsy - 22/10/2009 07:53:16 PM 734 Views

Yeah, that's pretty awesome. *NM* Myrdhyn - 22/10/2009 08:07:19 PM 684 Views

Re: Well... this is a low blow, but funny. He can't reply if it has spoilers, can he?

Tedtheman - 22/10/2009 08:14:04 PM 1267 Views

I disagree Deadsy - 22/10/2009 08:22:59 PM 1373 Views

I think Cannoli would say that Verin was the true hero... RabidWombat - 24/10/2009 06:00:02 AM 1171 Views

Seriana Sedai - 24/10/2009 11:30:12 PM 1169 Views

Duh. Cannoli - 28/10/2009 02:34:11 AM 1141 Views

Why... Why... sue - 22/10/2009 08:56:27 PM 1486 Views

Re: Why... Why... bowlwoman - 22/10/2009 09:01:53 PM 1245 Views

Re: Why... Why... sue - 23/10/2009 10:48:09 AM 1178 Views

Just give in to it. Seriana Sedai - 23/10/2009 07:15:50 PM 1221 Views

You deserve to feel good. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/10/2009 07:41:01 PM 1091 Views

Re: Just give in to it. sue - 23/10/2009 09:20:03 PM 1236 Views

Re: Just give in to it. Seriana Sedai - 23/10/2009 09:35:37 PM 1146 Views

Re: Just give in to it. sue - 24/10/2009 06:08:11 AM 1274 Views

Seriana Sedai - 24/10/2009 06:38:55 AM 1078 Views

Never! sue - 25/10/2009 06:35:23 PM 1206 Views

Drat! Seriana Sedai - 25/10/2009 08:26:13 PM 1134 Views

Re: Drat! sue - 25/10/2009 09:01:31 PM 1161 Views

Re: Drat! Seriana Sedai - 27/10/2009 02:58:33 AM 1155 Views

Re: Drat! sue - 27/10/2009 08:14:01 AM 1178 Views

HEE HEE HEE I knew it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/10/2009 08:58:29 PM 1371 Views

holy snappin' crap! Crackbrained Asha'man - 22/10/2009 10:02:22 PM 1369 Views

Which is why I always say it's better to rank possibilities in order of likelihood. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/10/2009 12:15:47 AM 1193 Views

Re: Which is why I always say it's better to rank possibilities in order of likelihood. Watcher in the Woods - 23/10/2009 07:08:26 PM 1060 Views

Re: Which is why I always say it's better to rank possibilities in order of likelihood. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 23/10/2009 07:40:14 PM 1174 Views

Re: An open letter to Cannoli and the rest “Aegwenist’s" The Gathering Storm "SPOILERS" randfandom - 22/10/2009 11:01:29 PM 1285 Views

I am going to be getting this book ASAP... vandevere - 23/10/2009 12:16:54 AM 1201 Views

I had a hunch the novices would be the key. itsjustme - 23/10/2009 12:25:41 AM 1168 Views

I love to hear that about Verin Seriana Sedai - 23/10/2009 12:30:39 AM 1221 Views

Just tell me a few things... fionwe1987 - 23/10/2009 12:42:38 AM 1240 Views

Re: Just tell me a few things... Narayan - 23/10/2009 01:05:02 AM 1836 Views

Does this mean... Werthead - 23/10/2009 03:04:22 AM 1349 Views

Re: Does this mean... Narayan - 23/10/2009 03:12:20 AM 1679 Views

Re: Does this mean... vandevere - 23/10/2009 05:40:40 AM 1359 Views

I've not read it personally Seriana Sedai - 23/10/2009 05:45:00 AM 1242 Views

Re: I've not read it personally Watcher in the Woods - 23/10/2009 07:13:29 PM 1135 Views

Re: I've not read it personally Seriana Sedai - 23/10/2009 07:14:44 PM 1169 Views

*nods*

*NM* scalius - 26/10/2009 06:09:46 PM 693 Views

Meh. Werthead - 23/10/2009 04:21:06 PM 1234 Views

fionwe1987 - 23/10/2009 04:23:26 PM 1242 Views

Well, I guess I got my daily dose of spoilers. And then some. *NM* j-whitt987 - 23/10/2009 02:36:21 AM 719 Views

Awesome! I love spoilers! Thanks for sharing.

*NM* everynametaken - 23/10/2009 05:36:41 AM 703 Views

Ruthless, yet ... stupid ajfurst - 23/10/2009 05:43:47 AM 1310 Views

But that is the path to become BA yourself redhand - 23/10/2009 02:59:15 PM 1299 Views

No, using evil against evil, is not being evil against evil-one is logical, the other Mordeth's path ajfurst - 24/10/2009 03:36:22 AM 1101 Views

This is sounding like a Jedi moral argument from the STAR WARS prequels. Which is not fun. Werthead - 24/10/2009 07:39:15 PM 1188 Views

Wait! A question about this whole Tower thing. everynametaken - 23/10/2009 06:55:16 PM 1238 Views

Re: Wait! A question about this whole Tower thing. Watcher in the Woods - 23/10/2009 07:18:01 PM 1175 Views

Gotta say after reading... fionwe1987 - 25/10/2009 10:10:29 PM 1430 Views

Bull! Cannoli - 28/10/2009 02:32:33 AM 1122 Views

I would like some sort of statistical analysis amirebram - 18/11/2009 01:11:21 AM 1115 Views

Yeah, if anything the Aegwenist philosophers seem to be validated. BlackAdder - 18/11/2009 08:46:35 PM 1225 Views

It's the reasons that bother me amirebram - 18/11/2009 11:08:42 PM 962 Views

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<quote>Most of you have not read the book yet.  But when you do you will see a woman that has gone to the wall for the good of the world, the sacrifices that Egwene and others make to cleanse the tower and  make it whole cannot be discounted by anyone that have even a shred of objectiveness in them.  The Gandhi like courage that Egwene shows in her fight for the heart and soul of the Tower that she cannot be bent, </quote>Gandhi was an ass & something of a pervert, who ceded the moral superiority to his adversaries by admitting that they were NOT evil and appealing to their better natures.  Egwene's tactic was purely passive-aggressive behavior intended to make herself look like the vicitm, in a situation where her choices were severely constrained.  She held on for the sole chance she had of getting more power. If she had taken easier paths, she would have ended up with significantly less power.  She took risks and endangered all that she sought to save because she stood to make enormous gains by it.

<quote>and she cannot be bowed.  And the wrath, organization and righteous vengeance that she shows when she almost takes on the entire the entire Seanchan attack force while drugged with Fork root with nothing but the novices for support can only be admired.</quote>  SHE FINALLY FIGHTS!! Whoop de do.  She FINALLY does what EVERY significant character does, when they come after her, with plenty of forwarning.  She was only drugged with forkroot, because she was trying to manipulate her guards.  If she had not been so eager to impress people and make Elaida look bad, she could have had a pair of full sisters and NO drug-impairment.

<quote>  Do not discount the Inn keeper’s daughter, because she DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. </quote>  Yeah... she made the Seanchan's profit slightly less... She didn't stop them or foil their plan (not that she could have been expected to), she merely awed a pack of admitted incompetants in a fight while praising herself to the skies.

<quote> At the end of this book she has united and cleansed the tower of the Black Ajah and now has them preparing to meet their Ji’e’toh to the world and more importantly to Rand.</quote>  SHE has done NONE of that!  VERIN was SOLELY responsible.

<quote>But Egwene knew what to do with those names that were provided.</quote>  THIS is praise-worthy?!?!?  She did NOT fart around and TOTALLY screw up, and you are praising her?  This is like praising her for coming in out of the rain after lightning strikes the people standing next to her!!!

<quote> There was no dancing around, there was no hand washing, there was no “Moghedien part II” escapes for them.</quote>  Because there was no gain for Egwene in keeping them around.  Verin had eliminated any potential gain or incentive to keep them for questioning by compiling her dossier.  She let the majority of them slip through her fingers, though.

<quote>  Egwene stilled them, and executed them. She was hardened by her time spent with the Aiel.  She did not blink, she sent them to meet the Headsman.</quote> If she needed ANY special training to do the bare minimum right in this case, she has far more serious problems than even I have attributed to her.  This was nothing special - it was what she SHOULD have done!

<quote>What Egwene did, had to be done.  And without the Aes Sedai whole, cleansed and behind him, Rand cannot win the final battle.   Without Egwene; Rand cannot win.</quote> Prove it.
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