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Re: A mixture of thoughts about tGS Jim Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 04:13:28 AM
2. People mention about Mat's section being off, but it doesn't affect me one way or the other. BS is, if I recall correctly, a fan of Mat. I wonder if that hurt him being able to write him. An unbiased attitude is needed to write any character.


I still liked the Mat sections, but I felt that his voice was the one that most stood out as being different.

3. Elayne wasn't in the book. But she was mentioned ALOT. Her name and/or titles were mentioned more then many characters that were in the book. Aviendha's hero worshiping of Elayne bothered me. But, for the most part, I was pleasantly surprised since I am a big fan of Elayne.


Avi's hero worshiping is something all of the girls do in regard to the others, just as Rand, Mat and Perrin all think that the other two know how to handle women.

4. Another person that was mentioned a lot was Moiraine. Everybody it seems wants her back.


That seemed to really stand out to me too, especially Nynaeve thinking back to how Moiraine dealt with Rand towards the end.

5. I like Cadsuane, but I have been waiting for someone to stand up to her. I was shocked and excited to see Tam do it. I also thought it really neat that Cadsuane stuck up for Min versus Beldeine. An AS telling another AS to apologize to a non-AS.


I loved Tam's response to Cadsuane channeling, "I've known men who, when challenged always turn to their fists for answers."

6. What's up with the ghost precession that Nynaeve saw. I have a feeling there is an explanation for this.


Besides the fact that the dead are walking. I don't see why you would think that this particular manifestation should be special.

7. The chance of Rand's new sword being Justice has went down since Min mentions that it was found underwater. Also Rand mentions that it is power wrought. My guess is that the sword belongs to one of the Heroes of the Horn besides Hawkwing.


Why? Couldn't Justice just have easily been thrown in the water as any other heroes' sword?

8. If I was Mesaana and I wanted to fool the oath rod then I would simply wear some thick gloves and use an illusion to make people think they see me touching the rod.


I don't know that skin contact is necessary. Though as some others have pointed out she could have easily sworn and still claimed not to be a DF. Likely the Forsaken think themselves to be much more than that. Of course afterwards she could easily enter T'A'R and create an Oath Rod and unswear the Oaths.

9. I have to wonder if the Oath Rod as a whole did not help the BA out a lot more then it helped out the WT. (At least until it hurt them at the end.)


It certainly favored the Shadow in general. Allowing BA to lie when everyone believed they had to be telling the truth. Not to mention cutting lifespans in half, should have kept the Tower numbers lower.

10. I would really like to find out how Verin detected so many of the BA. None of the other BA seemed to have been able to get near to duplicating that feat despite having a motivation to do so. Perhaps we can get a clue in WH when Verin talks with Cadsuane and becomes convinced that Cadsuane was trustworthy. I saw nothing. Perhaps some more eyes on it might find something.


I don't think that there's anything in the chapter specifically. However, I think that Verin likely used methods similar to the BA hunters, looking for those who were able to lie. Also, assuming that Verin has been a DF for 70 years(her last mistake), then she's had a long time to gather information. Unlike the few other BA we've seen. Plus, she tends to be dismissed by others as being a dreamy Brown, but she figured out that Moiraine had found the Dragon Reborn, which no one else in the Tower realized.

11. Speaking of Verin. I wonder how much of the shadow's knowledge of Rand has come from her. My guess is that she was forced to do some pretty awful things.


I doubt much, at least she should have been able to lie enough about Rand to keep the Shadow from learning anything of value.

12. Speaking of Verin again. Will we see her other letters come into play? We might even see her in ToM the way that the plot is jumping around the timeline.


I think so, I can't imagine Mat won't open whatever she left him, whether he decides to actually follow the instructions or not is another matter.

13. The most irritating feature of tGS was the way it jumped around. There were at least a half a dozen times when I was looking forward to the current plot continuing and it jumps (for apparently no reason) to another section. The most irritating example of this for me was when Mat meets Verin. Then it jumps to a few other PoV before returning. WHY? It wasn't as if a day or two passed in the meantime. We are talking minutes.


I think that is just BS's style, at least Warbreaker certainly does this a lot as well.

14. What's up with Laras? Verin mentions that Laras is MANY things. My first thought long ago was that she was Mesaana. It seems very unlikely, though, since she is too much of a character for someone to take over without it being obvious. My best guess is that Laras is an agent for the Kin.


I like the idea that she's an agent for the Kin. It'd be very hard for Mesaana to keep up the disguise of someone so fat in a kitchen, given that someone would almost certainly have bumped into her at some point in the last year or two.

15. Either Sorilea or Bair is a DF. They are the only ones who saw how Cadsuane opened the box. I suppose that SH could have done it. On the other hand, Semirhage's guards were dealt with when SH was in the room with Semirhage (Moridin using TP perhaps, there were no residues.)


Bair can't channel, leaving only Sorilea able to have seen the channeling, but Cadsuane thinks that she had inverted the wards, so Sorilea shouldn't have been able to see anything. More likely SH can undo wards as easily as he can keep those around him from sensing the Source.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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