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Neald... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 12:18:24 PM
personally i'm not disagreeing with you exactly. i definitely believe that ultimately your potential is your gateway size. just can't remember anybody's growing.

If they do grow i think it'd be in increments of gateway opening. Rand made six Deathgates at a time. I theorized that if he was making as many as many as possible, which the circumstances suggest, then his total power must be divisible by seven. Six thresholds. Seven fits in with the old twenty-one levels statement too.

If that's true then every time a channeler passed a gateway strength level threshold their gateway size would increase to the next closest level to their final potential. Say your potential was 43 you would be able to open a 29 gateway as soon as you had the 14 strength necessary to open one. and once you were stronger than 29 you'd be able to open the 43 size your potential suggested.


Perrin notes in CoT that Neald's gateways are getting larger than they were back in CoS. He doesn't have to dismount anymore to ride through them.

As for your thresholds - I'm not sure what you base the seven categories on. Why must gateways increase in set increments? Why not grow in the same way that your strength grows? In uneven bursts for men, and gradually for women.

As for Rand being able to weave 6 gateways - that merely means that he has more than six times the amount of strength needed to weave one gateway. Same for Logain.

The minimum level of strength to weave a gateway is very low for men - even Soldier Ashaman can weave gateways large enough for a man to pass through.

But that's where Asmodean's quote comes in - just because Rand has enough strength to weave 6 gateways at once does not mean that he can weave one gateway six times as large as his usual maximum. His maximum size is set by his full potential. It doesn't matter how much he actually channeles above the minimum amount of Power needed to make one gateway.

To conclude, I don't see why gateways should increase in predetermined jumps. Your gateway could be 6 feet tall one day, and 6 foot 6 inches tall the next day, if your strength increased by the same proportion overnight.
This message last edited by Shannow on 15/12/2009 at 12:19:38 PM
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Gateway size and One Power strength - a theoretical model... Shannow - 15/12/2009 08:42:26 AM 790 Views
There's this.... Light in the Night - 15/12/2009 09:58:26 AM 441 Views
Yes Shannow - 15/12/2009 10:21:54 AM 343 Views
Rand's later quotes confirm, but also refute this. Also, Egwene throws a wrench in things..... Logain - 15/12/2009 04:02:33 PM 441 Views
both of thoes example still fit into this theory Apsalar Shadowdancer - 16/12/2009 08:49:35 AM 353 Views
who's gateway size have we seen increase? Onarishma - 15/12/2009 12:06:58 PM 404 Views
Neald... Shannow - 15/12/2009 12:18:24 PM 390 Views
Nice points, I wonder... Etzel - 15/12/2009 12:16:22 PM 351 Views
Angreal or sa'angreal do not increase your gateway size... Shannow - 15/12/2009 12:21:10 PM 359 Views
I can't remember Asmo's comment. Etzel - 15/12/2009 12:23:46 PM 447 Views
Light in the Night quotes it above... Shannow - 15/12/2009 12:27:42 PM 295 Views
Unfortunately Etzel - 15/12/2009 12:37:21 PM 326 Views
I'm pretty sure that Rand makes the maximum possible gateway for one person... Shannow - 15/12/2009 12:41:48 PM 314 Views
Yes, just wanted to mention this point. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 01:03:46 PM 392 Views
Re: I'm pretty sure that Rand makes the maximum possible gateway for one person... Sidious - 15/12/2009 01:44:46 PM 408 Views
Well they might Sidious - 15/12/2009 01:42:24 PM 337 Views
How big was Cadsuane's gateway? Shannow - 15/12/2009 01:43:20 PM 429 Views
Re: How big was Cadsuane's gateway? Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:00:58 PM 333 Views
So 8 or 9 feet, I'd say...Edited to add another possibility. Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:05:48 PM 308 Views
Re: So 8 or 9 feet, I'd say... Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:09:06 PM 369 Views
I came up with another possibility after first replying to this issue... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:11:41 PM 347 Views
Re: I came up with another possibility after first replying to this issue... Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:16:23 PM 326 Views
and in the TGS Siuan uses Vora's sa'angreal darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 04:56:34 PM 349 Views
I agree w/ you. Siuan and Vora's sa'angreal refutes one of the points in the original post *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 05:08:23 PM 172 Views
Another theory Ryan - 15/12/2009 05:26:45 PM 338 Views
Excellent points darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 320 Views
Ah, but what if it is on a genetic level? Ryan - 16/12/2009 05:08:29 AM 299 Views
Re: Ah, but what if it is on a genetic level? darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 05:20:14 AM 324 Views
What about Siuan and Vora's sa'angreal? Logain - 15/12/2009 04:06:55 PM 358 Views
Yes, pretty much Sidious - 15/12/2009 01:41:34 PM 325 Views
The interesting part is... Shannow - 15/12/2009 01:44:46 PM 336 Views
It seems to be a mental thing Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:06:25 PM 322 Views
Also, the part that has me stumped at this point... Shannow - 15/12/2009 01:49:24 PM 365 Views
Re: Also, the part that has me stumped at this point... Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:04:04 PM 423 Views
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