Rand's later quotes confirm, but also refute this. Also, Egwene throws a wrench in things.....
Logain Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 04:02:33 PM
which somewhat contradicts your section # 4
From tFoH, chapter 54:
Four paces was as large as Rand could make it. There were limits for one man by himself, Asmodean claimed; it seemed there were always limits. The amount of saidin you drew did not matter. The One Power had little to do with gateways, really; only the making. Beyond, was something else. A dream of a dream, Asmodean called it. (emphasis mine)
I'm not saying this necessarily disputes your claim, it's just the original quote we have from the books concerning the making of gateways. The only thing that really doesn't seem to make sense is that Aviendha has to use so much of her strength to open a gateway, while Rand's pov states that the amount of Power you draw doesn't matter.
One theory explaining her difficulty is that she is having to relearn a weave she used before she knew what she was doing. (I find that hard to believe since she only used it that one time, and she did it without thinking out of pure panic.)
Others think that she gets embarrassed thinking about what happened the first time she Travelled, and that is the source of her problem. (That may have held true the first few times she used it again, but I'd think she would outgrow that fairly quickly.)
And still others put forth the theory that she time-travels when she makes her gateways. (One of my older ones, btw)
Other than her, I think most of the quotes in the books would support your idea. Even when the women link to form a gateway, they are probably just increasing the potential Power, and not using the full strength of the link to make it.
From tFoH, chapter 54:
Four paces was as large as Rand could make it. There were limits for one man by himself, Asmodean claimed; it seemed there were always limits. The amount of saidin you drew did not matter. The One Power had little to do with gateways, really; only the making. Beyond, was something else. A dream of a dream, Asmodean called it. (emphasis mine)
I'm not saying this necessarily disputes your claim, it's just the original quote we have from the books concerning the making of gateways. The only thing that really doesn't seem to make sense is that Aviendha has to use so much of her strength to open a gateway, while Rand's pov states that the amount of Power you draw doesn't matter.
One theory explaining her difficulty is that she is having to relearn a weave she used before she knew what she was doing. (I find that hard to believe since she only used it that one time, and she did it without thinking out of pure panic.)
Others think that she gets embarrassed thinking about what happened the first time she Travelled, and that is the source of her problem. (That may have held true the first few times she used it again, but I'd think she would outgrow that fairly quickly.)
And still others put forth the theory that she time-travels when she makes her gateways. (One of my older ones, btw)
Other than her, I think most of the quotes in the books would support your idea. Even when the women link to form a gateway, they are probably just increasing the potential Power, and not using the full strength of the link to make it.
In tGS Rand again emphasizes that there is a limit to the size of a gateway that one person can make. That supports Asmodean's statement about limits. It is almost as if it took Rand a year or two of testing for himself and now he believes Asmodean to have told the truth.
However, Rand's statement is shown to be false in some situations (e.g. when Angreal or Sa'angreal are involved). For example, Siuan picks up Vora's Sa'angreal in tGS and can all of a sudden make a huge gateway to get Gareth and Egwene out of the tower. So, when it is quoted as "the amount of saidin you drew didn't matter" is obviously not entirely true. The amount of power you draw does matter, as evidenced by Siuan.
Also, Egwene is another example that the amount of power you draw matters. Egwene is maybe the most skilled/adept weaver of all the women. I point that out to show that if anyone should be able to travel easily, without using much power, it ought to be Egwene. Nonetheless, to travel to go get Vora's sa'angreal when Egwene is drugged up by Forkroot tea, she has to get the added strengths of Nicola and others. In other words, potential alone is not enough to let you open a big gateway. You need the actual strength to do so.
Gateway size and One Power strength - a theoretical model...
15/12/2009 08:42:26 AM
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There's this....
15/12/2009 09:58:26 AM
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Rand's later quotes confirm, but also refute this. Also, Egwene throws a wrench in things.....
15/12/2009 04:02:33 PM
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Nice points, I wonder...
15/12/2009 12:16:22 PM
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Angreal or sa'angreal do not increase your gateway size...
15/12/2009 12:21:10 PM
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I can't remember Asmo's comment.
15/12/2009 12:23:46 PM
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Light in the Night quotes it above...
15/12/2009 12:27:42 PM
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Unfortunately
15/12/2009 12:37:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure that Rand makes the maximum possible gateway for one person...
15/12/2009 12:41:48 PM
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Re: I'm pretty sure that Rand makes the maximum possible gateway for one person...
15/12/2009 01:44:46 PM
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Well they might
15/12/2009 01:42:24 PM
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How big was Cadsuane's gateway?
15/12/2009 01:43:20 PM
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Re: How big was Cadsuane's gateway?
15/12/2009 02:00:58 PM
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So 8 or 9 feet, I'd say...Edited to add another possibility.
15/12/2009 02:05:48 PM
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Re: So 8 or 9 feet, I'd say...
15/12/2009 02:09:06 PM
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I came up with another possibility after first replying to this issue...
15/12/2009 02:11:41 PM
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Re: I came up with another possibility after first replying to this issue...
15/12/2009 02:16:23 PM
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and in the TGS Siuan uses Vora's sa'angreal
15/12/2009 04:56:34 PM
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I agree w/ you. Siuan and Vora's sa'angreal refutes one of the points in the original post *NM*
15/12/2009 05:08:23 PM
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Another theory
15/12/2009 05:26:45 PM
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Excellent points
15/12/2009 06:08:09 PM
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Yes, pretty much
15/12/2009 01:41:34 PM
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