good point. I agree on the difficulty of learning from the damane *NM*
amirebram Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 06:20:51 AM
The problem is more complex than just breaking Elaida. Sul'dam can compel the damane to make a weave, but the because the damane has no control, the damane cannot just "demonstrate" the weave for the sul'dam. Look at Moghedien's example when she is captured. Elayne, Nynaeve, and Egwene struggled to learn things from Moghedien. The damane has to try to describe the weave for the sul'dam and then through trial and error the sul'dam have to try to work it out for herself.
The easiest way would be to surround Elaida with 10 damane, take off the collar and tell her to form the weave herself and then put the collar back on her. If Elaida doesn't comply, you put the collar back on and torture her some more. Then you repeat over and over again until Elaida shows you the weave for traveling. That's the quick way to get the weave.
The easiest way would be to surround Elaida with 10 damane, take off the collar and tell her to form the weave herself and then put the collar back on her. If Elaida doesn't comply, you put the collar back on and torture her some more. Then you repeat over and over again until Elaida shows you the weave for traveling. That's the quick way to get the weave.
How long until Elaida is broken and reveals the Travelling Weave to the Seanchan?
- 16/12/2009 03:05:44 PM
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Not long
- 16/12/2009 04:21:27 PM
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I disagree with the Asha'man part
- 16/12/2009 06:41:46 PM
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You misinterpreted me
- 17/12/2009 01:38:09 AM
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Maybe never. She still has her foretelling...
- 16/12/2009 10:16:44 PM
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I doubt it
- 16/12/2009 10:28:10 PM
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What lies did Leanne tell? Really, there's no reason to dismiss a redemptive arc for Elaida.
- 16/12/2009 10:48:09 PM
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Re: What lies did Leanne tell? Really, there's no reason to dismiss a redemptive arc for Elaida.
- 17/12/2009 12:15:46 AM
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PS why give Elaida a new name "Suffa" only to have her redeemed? *NM*
- 17/12/2009 12:52:13 AM
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Tuli was redeemed rescued. *NM*
- 17/12/2009 12:59:12 AM
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yes but Suffa has a whole other meaning
- 17/12/2009 01:29:37 AM
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She suffers punishment and is then redeemed? BS said Elaida would be in the outriggers, IIRC. *NM*
- 17/12/2009 05:30:41 AM
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Re: She suffers punishment and is then redeemed? BS said Elaida would be in the outriggers, IIRC.
- 17/12/2009 06:32:59 PM
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Hmm, OK, that's the second time I've heard that. Guess she'll live 
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- 17/12/2009 06:38:37 PM
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- 17/12/2009 06:38:37 PM
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Breaking her won't solve the entire problem. Look at Moghedien's example.
- 17/12/2009 12:57:36 AM
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Brutal, but effective
- 17/12/2009 01:31:49 AM
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If it was that simple...
- 17/12/2009 02:14:55 PM
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You're forgetting that Egwene, Nynaeve and Elayne didn't "break" Moghedien.
- 17/12/2009 07:48:14 PM
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good point. I agree on the difficulty of learning from the damane *NM*
- 17/12/2009 06:20:51 AM
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I think there is a degree of over-complexity you are bringing to this.
- 17/12/2009 07:41:28 PM
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