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Re: All that will do is take the best fighters out of action. randfandom Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 07:38:55 PM
I'd rather have the Asha'man running free to fight as they have been trained, than contributing their strength to an Aes Sedai shackled by the Three Oaths and an ingrained reluctance to do anything useful with the Power.

The Aes Sedai are not great fighters, but there are plenty other useful uses of the Power. And my impression is that the rebel Aes Sedai were far better prepared for attacks (in LoC we see they set up a plan of linking in the event of an attack).

Look at what happened at the Cleansing ... The best showing was by the circle led by an Asha'man, which thwarted and drove off Demandred, and Alivia who faced off with Cyndane.

Both were led by people with decades (or centuries) of experience in combat, and plenty of maturity. And in the case of Flinn, I imagine Cadsuane left the decision on the leader to Corele (sp?) who was one of her most trusted associates and held Flinn's bond.

Verin got one of her people killed by trying to capture Graendal instead of kill her, which sacrificed the little initiative she had (no way a Forsaken lets a linked circle strike her first unless they caught her by surprise). Big surprise, the Brown thinks of the potential for gaining knowledge.

You forget Verin's other, hidden, allegiance. As I understood from both her confession in tGS and Elza's PoV in WH just before she kills Dashiva, the Black Ajah have a very strong prohibition against killing Forsaken. They have to have a *really* good justification for that. Elza was able to get around it only because she believed that Dashiva was "just" an Ash'aman.

We also see Daigian, whom Cadsuane stupidly puts in command of a circle because she respects her abstract intelligence, get her warder killed

Daigian's warder was a 15 or 16 year old boy, and by his own PoV, very immature. Halima took them by surprise, but no one could conceivably expect a woman channeling Saidin - why would they? Unfortunately that fact caused enough delay in relaying the information to the leader of the circle that it had the tragic consequence. The same would likely have happened had the circle been led by Eben and a man channeling Saidar attacked it.

Finally, we have Merise who passed control of the circle to a visibly unstable, and as it turned out, Darkfriend, rather than shoulder the distasteful burden of channeling the flows of saidin, which would have been the greater part of their circle.

How could Merise know that Elza was a darkfriend? Also Elza has not shown any signs of being unstable - she was described as "pleasant" in fact, and very dedicated to the DR's welfare.

I think you forget that decisions made on short notice in the heat of combat are not going to have the advantage of hindsight 20-20. Given that Cadsuane only found out what Rand was planning to do maybe 5-10 minutes earlier, I think her defensive plan worked very well.

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Learning traveling will help the Seanchan, but the AS still have the advantage. Logain - 17/12/2009 01:13:32 AM 1484 Views
Bryne will without a doubt be in charge darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 01:28:02 AM 797 Views
Re: Learning traveling will help the Seanchan, but the AS still have the advantage. randfandom - 17/12/2009 01:39:32 AM 952 Views
Linking provides another benefit. Logain - 17/12/2009 02:02:05 AM 873 Views
Wow, if that happens, I will be her biggest fan *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 02:10:01 AM 473 Views
Me too! Destroying the White Tower would make even me like Egwene. *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 11:36:03 AM 407 Views
Ideally, both would be destroyed! Along with the rest of Randland. Muahahahahaha!! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:40:55 AM 817 Views
What an utterly stupid idea. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 11:35:24 AM 800 Views
Your facts are incorrect. Logain - 17/12/2009 02:41:42 PM 840 Views
They were losing at Dumai's Wells. That's why they had to tie off Rand's shield Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:18:32 PM 819 Views
There is a way to get around the "first strike" limitation. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:25:05 PM 763 Views
The army of Night, fighting against the Seanchan Empire, surely have linked channelers redhand - 18/12/2009 04:34:52 AM 1369 Views
Is that the Superpower they're looking for all along? *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 02:02:25 AM 393 Views
No, the superpower is the "atomic bomb-like" weapon at the Kin's farm that melted sand. Logain - 17/12/2009 03:10:01 AM 870 Views
it was Elayne who failed to unravel the weave, not Avi *NM* Jim - 17/12/2009 08:14:34 PM 451 Views
another linking advantage Kieran - 17/12/2009 02:10:56 AM 741 Views
All that will do is take the best fighters out of action. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 11:55:55 AM 798 Views
I have to agree with Cannoli on this, but with a twist. Logain - 17/12/2009 02:46:03 PM 843 Views
Why mace of air? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:58:32 PM 767 Views
I can't compete with deathgates to outer space, but damane can be rehabilitated. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:10:17 PM 713 Views
So can soldiers. Lots of Taraboners, Altarans, etc in Seanchan army. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:08:32 PM 766 Views
Oh, yes. Because damane NEVER fight soldiers, and would thus ignore them. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 09:00:41 PM 750 Views
Re: All that will do is take the best fighters out of action. randfandom - 17/12/2009 07:38:55 PM 721 Views
Re: All that will do is take the best fighters out of action. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:49:28 PM 677 Views
Re: All that will do is take the best fighters out of action. Kieran - 19/12/2009 06:10:26 PM 984 Views
Do you really think the Aes Sedai would let them control the circles if they had a say? Cannoli - 21/12/2009 08:23:46 PM 801 Views
Re: Do you really think the Aes Sedai would let them control the circles if they had a say? Kieran - 22/12/2009 02:04:11 AM 710 Views
Why did you post this? Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 09:35:09 AM 827 Views
I have not read Darius Sedai's post. Sorry. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 02:49:20 PM 385 Views
What post are you talking about? Logain - 17/12/2009 04:57:14 PM 634 Views
Re: What post are you talking about? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:31:06 PM 771 Views
Here it is Light in the Night - 18/12/2009 12:42:45 AM 714 Views
I actually brought it up in an earlier thread too *NM* darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:46:56 AM 366 Views
thanks for the credit... PS I'm a guy *NM* darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:10:56 AM 422 Views
Ooops Light in the Night - 18/12/2009 12:48:22 AM 742 Views
I'm totally teasing you ... I added the "sedai" to be snarky darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:55:51 AM 1153 Views
Yeah, I don't get that: Fantasy gender-nuetral honorific, plus Real World male name = female? Cannoli - 18/12/2009 05:35:17 AM 787 Views
Cannoli sedai? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 02:15:18 PM 735 Views
what about the oaths blue1 - 17/12/2009 01:24:57 PM 789 Views
The oaths stand as no bar. Logain - 17/12/2009 02:48:32 PM 765 Views
Asha'man can' link either and they didn't have a problem moving an army Jim - 17/12/2009 08:16:48 PM 822 Views
Rand's campaign lasted more than a week. The AS could move the entire army in 5 minutes. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:28:40 PM 821 Views
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