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Thanks; I thought this was the case but couldnt recall the sections. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 07:13:32 PM
Frankly, the story of Ashaman tiring because they had to keep the gateway open is a mistake by Sanderson.

In CoS, Sammael opens gateways for the Shaido and Graendal notes that he had tied some of the gateway off with a loose knot to dissipate after a predetermined period of time.

And in KoD, Rand and Logain make Deathgates that open and close to random locations, tie off 6 weaves at once and start weaving more Deathgates.

So there is actually no need to actively hold open a gateway. You can just open it, tie it off and move on to creating your next gateway immediately.

And as RJ said, a tied off weave can exist for eternity if you tie a permanent knot in it. No need for elaborate cuendillar contraptions.


*nods*
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Cuendillar and Perpetual Gateways Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 03:32:15 PM 1655 Views
I'm still not sure if cuendillar would be "destroyed" or "remain" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 03:55:00 PM 842 Views
well I think you've discovered something even more important darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:00:11 PM 874 Views
I love it... Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 06:23:59 PM 742 Views
exactly! *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:50:19 PM 364 Views
Quick question ... Yondaime - 15/01/2010 01:34:21 AM 844 Views
No - cuendillar just gets stronger the more powerful a force you use against it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/01/2010 07:55:34 PM 761 Views
Re: Cuendillar and Perpetual Gateways aldapelan - 14/01/2010 04:42:37 PM 804 Views
Cuendillar shields Gher - 14/01/2010 04:57:45 PM 847 Views
Wasn't the consensus... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:04:50 PM 843 Views
Really? Gher - 14/01/2010 05:30:40 PM 752 Views
Re: Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:52:45 PM 709 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:25:27 PM 695 Views
Even so... Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 06:30:35 PM 778 Views
Not sure, but the discussion might be saved somewhere (maybe in my e-mail somehow) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 07:12:42 PM 906 Views
Lack of Creativity / Flame Nargs - 14/01/2010 07:31:32 PM 848 Views
*shrug* You can look for the original discussion if you like. Desc of seal is in Book VI, P 80 RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 08:48:13 PM 795 Views
Re: *shrug* You can look for the original discussion if you like. Desc of seal is in Book VI, P 80 Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 09:23:36 PM 793 Views
Re: *shrug* You can look for the original discussion if you like. Desc of seal is in Book VI, P 80 RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:36:26 PM 739 Views
let's do some quick math to see how feasible this is... darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 12:16:02 AM 664 Views
Again, Lack of Creativity Nargs - 15/01/2010 12:54:01 AM 696 Views
right cause they are full of new ideas in WoT! darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 12:57:52 AM 658 Views
Huh? Are you saying that... Nargs - 15/01/2010 01:49:23 AM 704 Views
It's not just a matter of creativity Gher - 15/01/2010 03:42:38 AM 778 Views
Are you trying to be funny? Nargs - 15/01/2010 09:22:18 AM 748 Views
I think what people are saying to you (at least what I am saying) darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:58:31 PM 859 Views
What I am telling you all (at least telling you) Nargs - 15/01/2010 08:12:32 PM 657 Views
I disagree with part of that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 08:17:30 PM 1157 Views
The vast majority of WoT folk aren't particularly innovative darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 08:02:52 PM 672 Views
Pretty much. I think their religion is not doing anything helpful with the Power. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/01/2010 09:13:49 PM 644 Views
Mail is obviously out of the question... Gher - 15/01/2010 12:54:32 AM 756 Views
realistically the timeframes involved to make even the shields darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 01:03:30 AM 835 Views
Kind of disagree. Gher - 15/01/2010 01:37:42 AM 720 Views
We agree... maybe? Nargs - 15/01/2010 09:27:32 AM 740 Views
both darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 08:00:26 PM 645 Views
Please explain Nargs - 15/01/2010 09:29:29 AM 724 Views
not saying mail... Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 07:33:06 PM 704 Views
hey look! someone with creativity! Nargs - 15/01/2010 09:30:29 AM 817 Views
Cuendillar dragons are great... Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 06:45:12 PM 740 Views
Create a ter'angreal that can open gateways wherever it is pointed and triggered. Gher - 14/01/2010 04:59:28 PM 694 Views
Maybe this was one of the violent games played for sport during The Collapse *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:14:05 PM 326 Views
Without a doubt *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 05:26:42 PM 323 Views
Or they could just tie the gateway weave off, like Sammael did in CoS, and Rand did in KoD... Shannow - 14/01/2010 07:11:56 PM 888 Views
Thanks; I thought this was the case but couldnt recall the sections. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 07:13:32 PM 656 Views
True... I forgot... Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 753 Views
Tied-off weaves dont last forever Nargs - 14/01/2010 07:39:53 PM 694 Views
No... Shannow - 14/01/2010 07:48:38 PM 764 Views
Correct. Q&A answer below regarding this. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:08:02 PM 780 Views
Bingo Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:25:12 PM 708 Views
Refrigerators and aqueducts and more... Air Conditioning! Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 07:49:12 PM 775 Views
Is a gateway fixed in place? Ashaman Narishma - 14/01/2010 07:55:20 PM 763 Views
Why would this mean that the gateway weave doesn't need to be maintained? *NM* Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:22:58 PM 317 Views
Because even if it wasn't tied off, it'd get stuck around the cuendillar doorway, unable to close. *NM* Gher - 22/01/2010 09:07:34 PM 311 Views
But RJ said that cuendillar could not pass into a gateway, didn't he? Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:53:35 AM 633 Views
I'm not exactly sure what you mean... Gher - 24/01/2010 09:47:20 PM 713 Views
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