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Your reasoning seems to ELIMINATE Min Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/04/2010 02:34:47 PM
If they actually have to live together, build a life and family together, make a living etc... It has to be Min. She is not a lunatic (see Aviendha), she is not a pampered snot coddled from her youth (see Elayne). She is the closest thing to a sane female that Jordan has in these books.
How is Aviendha a lunatic? Or how is she in a way that does not condemn Min as well? What does Aviendha do that is crazy? Most of what you might argue in that area stems from YOUR lack of understanding of her culture. She behaves in an extremely rational manner within the constraints of her culture and circumstances. You might argue that she is violent, but who is more violent? The trained and responsible soldier or the woman with no real combat skills who takes five books after her first failure in this area is exposed to finally admit it to herself? The woman who has never actually used a weapon when violence was not called for or the one who brandishes knives to a make a point in conversations and throws them at her boyfriend to get his attention. You are basically comparing two women, one of whom is a veteran of a crack military unit and takes great care to maintain her gun, cleaning it frequently but only drawing it when danger threatens; and the other of whom has a fancy fast-draw holster she got from a performer and who spins the gun on her finger, draws it when he hears of past tragedies or mishaps and when her boyfriend ignores her, fires it past his ear! Min is far and away more crazy than Aviendha.

As for Elayne, what in her life suggests she has ever been seriously pampered? She was brought up to be accustomed to having servants because it was expected that her job would be too important for her to have time to cook and clean up for herself. Beyond that, she was rigorously schooled from as soon as she was capable of understanding human speech, by every account. Her caregivers and tutors were a mother who is said to have been very sparing in her praise (and every recollection she has of her mother is criticism or lessons), an abrasive nurse who is critical and judgmental of everyone with whom she deals (and inspires similar recollections), a general who seems to have been her only father figure (and who is exposed in tFoH & LoC as being indifferent to her now that he is no longer sleeping with her mother) and an Aes Sedai who is said to be too demanding a teacher and who expressed favor by piling on higher expectations! Which of them do you think coddled Elayne? Beyond that, she surpasses all her commoner friends in the skills that SHOULD be their bailiwick! Of the four women who accompanied Liandrin to Far Madding, which one surpases Elayne in ANY non-political/non-royal skill? Aside from Nynaeve's medical training (which we see in her first appearance is a skill Elayne is not lacking either, as compared to Egwene aggressive resistance to medical knowledge in tDR), Elayne surpasses them all! Exactly HOW do you define spoiled? The best cook & seamstress (who actually does the sewing for the group)? The one with the least complaints about foreign ways? The one whose role in the group dynamic is almost invariably the peacemaker? And even if you are going by knee-jerk associations from other fantasy, don't the spoiled daughters of royalty usually berate their servants, or torment them with frivolous demands, rather than keeping her mouth shut, eating what they serve her in defiance of her requests and letting them fuss unnecessarily or tolerate intrusions into her privacy because it makes the servants happy? I wouldn't tolerate the service she experiences in WH through KoD from a Burger King or a K-Mart, let alone people I was feeding, clothing, sheltering AND paying a salary to!

There are two rules a man should obey when contemplating marriage (other than that he should be physically attracted to and in love with the woman):
I would challenge those criteria as well. Don't forget, marriage for love has about half the success rate of arranged marriages and marriages of state or for property. The latter have only become tenuous because divorce has become profitable.

1. Don't marry crazy.
2. Don't marry high maintenance.
Which one of the two women who are just fine with him traveling and having constant sex with another women without a single attempt at communication with them qualfies as "high maintenance"? Rand NEVER speaks to Aviendha in tGS, despite essentially being in the same place for the whole book, and she isn't upset at least. It is only until Min's gauche & insensitive behavior and impertinent questions drive her beyond endurance that she even gets upset.

Meanwhile, Min is the one who clings to Rand like a leech, uses her relationship with him to inveigele herself into important diplomatic missions where she has no business, serves no practical purpose and takes up a slot that COULD be occupied by a woman who could provide political or cultural insight, combat support or even a channeler in disguise. Instead, Miss Low Maintenance claims that place as the price of her sexual services.

You may have your rules, but Rand's violated rule about making promises in bed is equally valid. Of the three girlfriends, which is the only one to have ever extracted such a promise? The one YOU call low-maintenance!

Incidentally, both Elayne and Aviendha fail at least one of the two criteria.
I WOULD call any women crazy who tolerate their love interest running around with a stuck-up bimbo who gives herself airs because she sleeps with the Dragon Reborn

That said, I would pick Aviendha for a less permanent relationship. She is hot and interesting.
She is far more stable and serious and takes the relationship and the inherent commitments involved far more seriously than Min. Elayne and Aviendha both specifically recognize & articulate Rand's importance, especially in relation to themselves. They suck it up and deal with the painful (for them) realities of his being the Dragon Reborn. Min is the one in denial who pitches a temper tantrum when Rand attempts to face the facts.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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let's play "Stupid Question" : which one will (or should) Rand choose? - 11/04/2010 12:54:15 AM 1413 Views
I'd choose Aviendha. But if Rand were forced, I think he would go with Min ... - 11/04/2010 01:37:57 AM 1056 Views
Mat and Elayne? Interesting, but I don't see it - 11/04/2010 06:01:04 PM 715 Views
I agree (with your title, if little else) - 12/04/2010 01:46:44 PM 904 Views
Very true, I suppose - 12/04/2010 03:42:09 PM 673 Views
He definitely won't choose one over the others - 11/04/2010 06:39:21 AM 651 Views
Re: let's play "Stupid Question" : which one will (or should) Rand choose? - 11/04/2010 06:46:09 AM 654 Views
Your reasoning seems to ELIMINATE Min - 12/04/2010 02:34:47 PM 841 Views
Obviously Min is the only real option - 11/04/2010 07:05:33 AM 779 Views
Their hotness doesn't matter, and anyone'd be pissed if they got preggers - 11/04/2010 05:54:55 PM 639 Views
I'd go for Min for "should." - 12/04/2010 12:15:09 PM 756 Views
I'd go for Aviendha for "should" with Elayne being a good second option. Min is not a good match. - 12/04/2010 04:07:36 PM 737 Views
Wow. Getting it right, in such a wrong way. - 12/04/2010 09:27:26 PM 743 Views
elayne = no, not because of my preferences - 12/04/2010 04:35:14 PM 718 Views
Re: elayne = no, not because of my preferences - 12/04/2010 05:49:51 PM 621 Views
There is such a thing as healthy "need," - 13/04/2010 03:36:31 AM 529 Views
Elayne is the obvious choice - 12/04/2010 06:44:20 PM 629 Views
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Elayne makes the most sense... - 13/04/2010 12:51:36 PM 633 Views

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