Re: I really disliked how many GROUPS there were.
Danae al'Thor Send a noteboard - 09/06/2010 11:59:33 AM
The mimes and the ninjas and the pirates and the corporate types. Harkaway's narrator (henceforth called Babycakes) is all about how being in an organisation that has set goals for the organisation as opposed to directional hopes for the world in which it works de-individualises a person, makes him/her lose hir soul, and hir compassion. Babycakes then fails to tell us why the pirates, the mime-ninjas avoid this trap. Or the K's, who really have a very fine line to tread. He even fails to tell us why the Bad Guys fell into it in the first place.
MEH.
And what do we know about, say, Leah, or even Gonzo, or Babycakes himself? Do we have a feel for these people?
If, for instance, Anansi sat down beside me and talked to me fr a while, and then told me he was Anansi, I fully expect that a part of me would go, this is why you're so familiar! Gaiman told me all about you! But if Gonzo sat down beside me? Nada. Mrs. Babycakes-Gonzo? Nada.
Maybe Sally Culpepper. Maybe Assumption Soames. Master Wu, right. But Zaher Bey was your generic Eastern-Man-Westernised-Beyond-The-West-And-Goodly-For-It. I liked him, and I liked his pirates, but I can tell you nothing about him. Beyond that he's adventurous, has a good heart, and won't stand for Wrong Stuff. I could say the same about Ben. And Ben is not Zaher Bey - frankly, I think that's a compliment. Zaher Bey is not a person, nor is he recognisable as one.
I liked the trope, the Gonzo-Babycakes split. But they're not people either.
In general, I am replying here to poop all over the idea that there was good characterisation in this novel. All these people are concepts, playing out their parts as concepts. In a more interesting book, this would be okay. But as I have said elsewhere, this book is carried away with how clever it is, and so I do not care for any of these people.
MEH.
And what do we know about, say, Leah, or even Gonzo, or Babycakes himself? Do we have a feel for these people?
If, for instance, Anansi sat down beside me and talked to me fr a while, and then told me he was Anansi, I fully expect that a part of me would go, this is why you're so familiar! Gaiman told me all about you! But if Gonzo sat down beside me? Nada. Mrs. Babycakes-Gonzo? Nada.
Maybe Sally Culpepper. Maybe Assumption Soames. Master Wu, right. But Zaher Bey was your generic Eastern-Man-Westernised-Beyond-The-West-And-Goodly-For-It. I liked him, and I liked his pirates, but I can tell you nothing about him. Beyond that he's adventurous, has a good heart, and won't stand for Wrong Stuff. I could say the same about Ben. And Ben is not Zaher Bey - frankly, I think that's a compliment. Zaher Bey is not a person, nor is he recognisable as one.
I liked the trope, the Gonzo-Babycakes split. But they're not people either.
In general, I am replying here to poop all over the idea that there was good characterisation in this novel. All these people are concepts, playing out their parts as concepts. In a more interesting book, this would be okay. But as I have said elsewhere, this book is carried away with how clever it is, and so I do not care for any of these people.
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June Book Club: The Gone-Away World by Nick Harkaway
07/06/2010 06:09:34 PM
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What did you think? Love, hate, etc? *NM*
07/06/2010 06:10:02 PM
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No surprises here, I suppose.
07/06/2010 07:05:47 PM
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Neither. Good, but not that deep, and with some annoying things.
07/06/2010 10:29:18 PM
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Mostly regarding being tricked
08/06/2010 08:47:56 AM
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*lol* Don't give up on your thesis just yet.
08/06/2010 09:20:16 AM
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Re: I am linking to my review, because I am self-centred like that. But I am not a fan.
09/06/2010 11:47:16 AM
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Is it successful as a satire?
07/06/2010 06:11:11 PM
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Yes, as long as we are clear on one thing: that is not all it does.
07/06/2010 08:29:59 PM
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Partially.
08/06/2010 01:58:19 PM
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Re: Actually, the IMF loan thing worked better for me.
09/06/2010 11:50:36 AM
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But right up to the point where they're given one they don't want, and the interest thing, etc?
12/06/2010 01:21:11 PM
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Characters:
07/06/2010 06:12:29 PM
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One of my favourite things about this book. *spoilers* (do we need to mark spoilers here?)
07/06/2010 07:58:36 PM
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Re: I really disliked how many GROUPS there were.
09/06/2010 11:59:33 AM
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The BIG twist:
07/06/2010 06:13:38 PM
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Not such a surprise
07/06/2010 07:01:24 PM
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Apparently I was the only person who did not see it coming *spoilers*
07/06/2010 08:51:01 PM
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Re: I guessed it in the second chapter.
09/06/2010 12:00:49 PM
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I clearly need to reread Thief of Time.
13/06/2010 06:07:28 PM
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Re: Spoiler for Thief of Time :
14/06/2010 08:27:33 AM
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Ideas
07/06/2010 06:15:25 PM
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Re: Ideas
08/06/2010 12:41:31 PM
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Re: I agree with you, and I think it is one of the drawbacks of the novel.
09/06/2010 12:07:51 PM
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Re: I agree with you, and I think it is one of the drawbacks of the novel.
09/06/2010 06:26:20 PM
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Re: I think you tend to read something and then decide that it is not fit for the genre it is trying
10/06/2010 09:23:29 AM
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The New People
07/06/2010 07:32:46 PM
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I know how I would have reacted in real life
08/06/2010 01:20:04 PM
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Re: I would have been one of those awkward hypocrites who tried to be cool with it.
09/06/2010 12:11:51 PM
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The first chapter
07/06/2010 09:01:13 PM
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Favourite scenes
08/06/2010 01:31:57 PM
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Re: Ninjas vs. Pirates: Your inner geek votes for?
09/06/2010 12:05:22 PM
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Pirates. Everytime.
12/06/2010 01:29:01 PM
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Re: Pirates. Everytime.
15/06/2010 02:40:45 PM
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I don't consider the pirates thing to be a "pattern"
15/06/2010 02:52:46 PM
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Oh, but that is just the thing: it is.
15/06/2010 03:16:26 PM
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I suspect our differing opinions on what is and isn't a pattern might make this discussion fail.
17/06/2010 06:19:11 PM
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A question I had while reading the book - was this meant to be set in Britain, the US, or some mix?
13/06/2010 10:53:03 PM
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You've not got it quite right. We are able to distinguish between a truck and a lorry.
20/06/2010 11:09:51 PM
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The other people in the airfield pond
15/06/2010 03:04:01 PM
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They were scary.
17/06/2010 06:25:59 PM
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The use of tense
17/06/2010 03:55:01 PM
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This is a tendency I have noticed in a lot of contemporary literature
17/06/2010 08:54:55 PM
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