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"When does a Cub Scout become a Boy Scout...?" Joel Send a noteboard - 02/07/2010 09:50:26 PM
I'd say hype does impact how one views a book, when one is aware of it. Wikipedia cites his statement in an interview with the Humanist Network News (though their link is dead) that Narnia is "religious propaganda" so the two statements between them lead me to believe that, whatever Narnia is or isn't, Pullmans very similarly styled work revolving around a church built on malevolence, bitterness and ignorance is ANTI-Christian propaganda. Apologetics is nothing new, nor is apologetics in the form of allegory; Pilgrims Progress did it, and Dante. The difference is no one felt obligated to rebutt them in the same style and call it original fiction.

Closest I can come to a source for the second statement is this:

"The Golden Compass Author Avoids Atheist Labels" (Humanist Network News Interview). Humanist Network News. http://humaniststudies.org/enews/?id=326&article=1. Retrieved 2008-12-01. ^ Crary, Duncan.

The quote in the subject line is from Pullman speaking to the Washington Post:

^ a b Wartofsky, Alona (2001-02-19). "The Last Word". The Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A23371-2001Feb18?. Retrieved 2007-11-29.

I doubt very seriously I could read this series and separate the hype from the prose. Without the former I would probably see an indictment of much of many church heirarchies, but against the backdrop of what I've read about the author, including his own public statements, and his other book, "The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ" it would be impossible. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not....


I'm not sure if that's good or not either

you've read some/all of the books tho? did you enjoy them? and are you religious? I'm a Brownie atheist...I'm not sure you have Brownies over there. They are like scouts but for girls only. You don't eat them. But the Brownie Guide Law is to think of others before yourself and do a good turn every day

I think I went off on a tangent again.

"When he eats his first Brownie. "

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Yes, we have them here.

Perhaps surprisingly, I haven't read any of the others, though I'm told I will be reading Harry Potter, soon after my wedding if not before then. I've only read summaries of Catcher in the Rye, but those led me to feel much as you did after reading it: The prose may be good, the craft of authorship, but in terms of themes and plot it's not as noteworthy to be now that so many Salinger wannabes have produced clones dealing with defining oneself, rebellion and alienation.

I don't like to use the term "religious" because it carries a mountain of connotation, so much so that I was just yesterday having to work around it with a good friend, after a fellow Christian and I had discussed our shared loathing of megachurches (even if "selling Jesus" could be defended, going for profit, volume and market share could not. ) In that Mr. Pullman and I would, ironically, almost certainly agree; I have what I consider a strong and deep faith I wish were stronger and deeper, but to a tragic degree it's despite rather than because of organized "Churches" for Christianity. In my book (literally) the Christian Church is the Body of Christ, and He is the only Head; there's probably a reason why Paul said that (I think it has to do with the rest of that chapter, where he categorically and explicitly condemns factionalism within the Church. ) It's somewhat telling that the Church Fathers (not to mention Christ) were regularly criticized for condoning or ignoring things the Sanhedrin heirarchy just as regularly condemned, and so much of the "official" Christian heirarchy seems to do the same thing today.

Where I take exception to His Dark Materials is that rather than writing a solid fantasy series for the sake of entertainment and edification, that just happens to have an agenda as well, Pullman seems to have simply written a series that's no more or less than a counter offer, an attempt to give adolescents "both sides" of a story that has >6 billion facets at last count. Consequently, even though I've never read a word of the series, despite the fact it's close enough I can pick out on a shelf from where I sit, I haven't even a faint desire to even skim it. That's hype for ya.
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