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oh, and nossy Send a noteboard - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM
I was fascinated by Bazarov. In the beginning I took a very strong dislike to him. I really, really cannot stand the type. He is brash, he takes pleasure in dismissing things out of hand, without really backing that up with any sort of understanding. His only claim to authority is his lack of authority, and that really is ... bogus. I couldn't agree more with Pavel Petrovich's comment that

The fact is that previously they were simply dunces and now they've suddenly become nihilists.


I loved that comment as well, but not because of Bazarov. I got the impression that Turgenev was allowing Pavel to be right about some in the movement, but also to make him miss the mark on Bazarov. Even though I do agree that B was awful in the beginning, Turgenev was already teaching us that he was richer than that. (I decided conclusively when Sitnikov and Kukshina showed up - Turgenev gave us perfect examples to show the range.)
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Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev. Tom - 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM 1008 Views
Bazarov Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM 835 Views
never mind *NM* Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:16 PM 345 Views
The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM 733 Views
Re: The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Camilla - 17/10/2010 11:59:37 PM 815 Views
oh, and nossy - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM 723 Views
Re: oh, and Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM 702 Views
I like the way you said that nossy - 19/10/2010 05:31:05 AM 742 Views
Re: I like the way you said that Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:24:00 AM 698 Views
I had pretty much the same reaction as you. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:05:37 PM 779 Views
Arkady Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM 690 Views
Well, that makes sense Tom - 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 688 Views
Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM 698 Views
According to a footnote in my (Dutch) copy... Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:55:22 PM 716 Views
Ясень and ясный Tom - 18/10/2010 11:41:24 PM 709 Views
See, I liked Arkady nossy - 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM 630 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM 671 Views
hm. nossy - 18/10/2010 01:06:44 AM 774 Views
Re: hm. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:46:23 AM 908 Views
Re: hm. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM 729 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:51:59 PM 670 Views
Re: Arkady Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:09:14 PM 714 Views
Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM 714 Views
Heh, no worries. Rebekah - 18/10/2010 11:07:00 AM 644 Views
Good book. nossy - 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM 738 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:55:11 AM 814 Views
Re: Agreed. nossy - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM 735 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM 643 Views
I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Legolas - 18/10/2010 11:03:37 PM 706 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM 774 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:13:26 AM 707 Views
I think you might be overanalyzing the birch tree statement. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:45:12 PM 672 Views
I disagree nossy - 19/10/2010 05:27:07 AM 723 Views
I loved it. Great book. Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM 663 Views
Re: I loved it. Great book. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:33:42 PM 645 Views
I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM 637 Views
Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM 703 Views
It felt very Russian to me as well Camilla - 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM 639 Views
There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM 701 Views
Most of the histrionics are Dostoevsky manifestations. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:52:52 PM 737 Views
I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM 744 Views
The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM 716 Views
Can you recommend one? Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:55:56 PM 992 Views
"One" is where it starts to get harder. Tom - 23/10/2010 01:45:03 AM 730 Views
Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history. Legolas - 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM 658 Views
Nikolai and Pavel - I love them. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM 816 Views
Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM 780 Views
Ah, that's a good point. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:54:56 PM 653 Views
The women Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:18:45 PM 747 Views
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