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Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM
The real personality of the book is Bazarov. There's a tendency that Turgenev has to make secondary characters very, very superficial. Imagine that they're window dressing. It's a fair statement to make, too, considering that Turgenev has written some of the best descriptions of nature in Russian literature.


Yes.

They are superficial, and some of them are delicious caricatures, but there is some depth to some of them. I mean, both Arkady's father and uncle have more personality than Arkady himself. As do most of the women (although for better or for worse...).

I agree about the descriptions. I wish I could read it in Russian, in fact.

On a side note. I wanted to ask you: what is the tree they are talking about when in the English it is translated as "ash"? They say, in chapter 25, that

``ash'' is very well named, no other tree is so light and glimmers in the air so ``ashenly'' as it does.
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