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Re: oh, and Camilla Send a noteboard - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM
I was fascinated by Bazarov. In the beginning I took a very strong dislike to him. I really, really cannot stand the type. He is brash, he takes pleasure in dismissing things out of hand, without really backing that up with any sort of understanding. His only claim to authority is his lack of authority, and that really is ... bogus. I couldn't agree more with Pavel Petrovich's comment that

The fact is that previously they were simply dunces and now they've suddenly become nihilists.

I loved that comment as well, but not because of Bazarov. I got the impression that Turgenev was allowing Pavel to be right about some in the movement, but also to make him miss the mark on Bazarov. Even though I do agree that B was awful in the beginning, Turgenev was already teaching us that he was richer than that. (I decided conclusively when Sitnikov and Kukshina showed up - Turgenev gave us perfect examples to show the range.)


While I agree that Sitnikov and Kukshina are a step beyond Bazarov in absurdity, his comments that ``I share no one's opinions'', when it was pointed out that he took the view of Proudhon, and the truly nonsensical comment about families being useless because sometimes they didn't work right ... it points to his being nonsensical in much the same way. Early on. I notice he changes, but in the beginning, he is dreadful. He has more authority in his statements than the other two, but I am not sure he has more understanding (at that point -- and I must stress that).
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Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev. Tom - 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM 1012 Views
Bazarov Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM 837 Views
never mind *NM* Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:16 PM 345 Views
The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM 735 Views
Re: The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Camilla - 17/10/2010 11:59:37 PM 817 Views
oh, and nossy - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM 725 Views
Re: oh, and Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM 705 Views
I like the way you said that nossy - 19/10/2010 05:31:05 AM 744 Views
Re: I like the way you said that Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:24:00 AM 700 Views
I had pretty much the same reaction as you. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:05:37 PM 781 Views
Arkady Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM 692 Views
Well, that makes sense Tom - 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 690 Views
Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM 700 Views
According to a footnote in my (Dutch) copy... Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:55:22 PM 718 Views
Ясень and ясный Tom - 18/10/2010 11:41:24 PM 711 Views
See, I liked Arkady nossy - 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM 632 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM 673 Views
hm. nossy - 18/10/2010 01:06:44 AM 776 Views
Re: hm. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:46:23 AM 913 Views
Re: hm. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM 731 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:51:59 PM 672 Views
Re: Arkady Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:09:14 PM 716 Views
Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM 716 Views
Heh, no worries. Rebekah - 18/10/2010 11:07:00 AM 649 Views
Good book. nossy - 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM 741 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:55:11 AM 816 Views
Re: Agreed. nossy - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM 738 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM 645 Views
I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Legolas - 18/10/2010 11:03:37 PM 708 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM 776 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:13:26 AM 709 Views
I think you might be overanalyzing the birch tree statement. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:45:12 PM 674 Views
I disagree nossy - 19/10/2010 05:27:07 AM 725 Views
I loved it. Great book. Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM 665 Views
Re: I loved it. Great book. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:33:42 PM 647 Views
I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM 642 Views
Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM 705 Views
It felt very Russian to me as well Camilla - 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM 642 Views
There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM 704 Views
Most of the histrionics are Dostoevsky manifestations. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:52:52 PM 739 Views
I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM 746 Views
The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM 718 Views
Can you recommend one? Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:55:56 PM 997 Views
"One" is where it starts to get harder. Tom - 23/10/2010 01:45:03 AM 732 Views
Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history. Legolas - 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM 660 Views
Nikolai and Pavel - I love them. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM 818 Views
Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM 783 Views
Ah, that's a good point. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:54:56 PM 656 Views
The women Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:18:45 PM 749 Views
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