I am intending to post something on Turgenev's women in this book, but for now let me say this: Katya follows the trend that "natural" women who stick to feelings rather than opinion and intellect are the more admirable mate. It bugs me. She has no personality of her own, apart from having hidden and being afraid of her more outspoken and organised sister (who has faults of her own, but still) -- Katya is a natural being who needs a man to find her, and I find I am getting slightly nauseated.
That will be fun to read. And my point was not that she's only important once found, but that Turgenev allows her to be something other than what Bazarov complains about, and other than the beautiful and intelligent Anna. She's a regular girl, which means she doesn't have to be something special. But it turns out that she could be, if anyone took the time to find out. I thought that was interesting, for what we've seen of Russian literature so far.
I didn't get that Turgenev had such a low opinion of women. In fact, Bazarov's low opinion of women seemed to be one of the obnoxiously false original stances he took. Then Turgenev introduced us to other options.
I don't know, my impression is simply different, I suppose. He does mention that Arkady and she share an interest in frivolities, so you could be right- I just put that down to the fact that she was young, and as yet undamaged by life (unlike Anna). Especially if you look back - when we meet her, one of the first comments is about how young and "green" she is. In my opinion, that doesn't mean she's worthless, or waiting to be shaped by a man. It just means she's young, and has been overshadowed by her powerful sister. In fact, Bazarov's comment that she will be something, and will take Arkady in hand underlined that for me (he says she's not falsely clever). She is the unruined Anna (and I don't mean to be so harsh on Anna, but she's obviously learned things during her years/marriage/etc).
Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev.
17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM
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Bazarov
17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM
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oh, and
17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM
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Re: oh, and
18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM
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Arkady
17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM
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Well, that makes sense
17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM
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Re: Well, that makes sense
18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM
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See, I liked Arkady
17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM
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Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk.
17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM
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Good book.
17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM
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I loved it. Great book.
18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM
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I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian.
18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM
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Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really.
20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM
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It felt very Russian to me as well
20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM
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There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels.
22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM
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I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version.
22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM
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The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history.
22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM
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Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history.
22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM
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Nikolai and Pavel - I love them.
22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM
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Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me.
22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM
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