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Re: Agreed. nossy Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM
So you read it as suicide as well? We are now the majority


And yes, I agree. Not only did he mishandle the autopsy, he failed to cauterise the wound and then pretended not to be sick for ages. There is so much ... lack of agency there. Which I suppose is what defines him. Hmm. May be onto something here. In one of the early conversations with Pavel Petrovich he says something about not acting. And in the end that is what kills him.

I googled. There is quite a bit of discussion on the topic. It bothered me because he pushes his father to be ... more accurate? of a doctor, but then once his despair really settles in, he suddenly makes a major mistake? Either way, it's tragic, but I wouldn't mind if my brain would think of it the way Tom described above.
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Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev. Tom - 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM 1054 Views
Bazarov Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:12:03 PM 878 Views
never mind *NM* Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:16 PM 363 Views
The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM 773 Views
Re: The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Camilla - 17/10/2010 11:59:37 PM 855 Views
oh, and nossy - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM 764 Views
Re: oh, and Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM 743 Views
I like the way you said that nossy - 19/10/2010 05:31:05 AM 784 Views
Re: I like the way you said that Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:24:00 AM 734 Views
I had pretty much the same reaction as you. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:05:37 PM 811 Views
Arkady Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM 726 Views
Well, that makes sense Tom - 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 727 Views
Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM 735 Views
According to a footnote in my (Dutch) copy... Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:55:22 PM 765 Views
Ясень and ясный Tom - 18/10/2010 11:41:24 PM 744 Views
See, I liked Arkady nossy - 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM 665 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM 707 Views
hm. nossy - 18/10/2010 01:06:44 AM 810 Views
Re: hm. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:46:23 AM 960 Views
Re: hm. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM 760 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:51:59 PM 713 Views
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Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM 755 Views
Heh, no worries. Rebekah - 18/10/2010 11:07:00 AM 686 Views
Good book. nossy - 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM 779 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:55:11 AM 852 Views
Re: Agreed. nossy - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM 776 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM 683 Views
I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Legolas - 18/10/2010 11:03:37 PM 742 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM 814 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:13:26 AM 747 Views
I think you might be overanalyzing the birch tree statement. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:45:12 PM 723 Views
I disagree nossy - 19/10/2010 05:27:07 AM 770 Views
I loved it. Great book. Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM 701 Views
Re: I loved it. Great book. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:33:42 PM 684 Views
I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM 674 Views
Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM 750 Views
It felt very Russian to me as well Camilla - 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM 680 Views
There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM 738 Views
Most of the histrionics are Dostoevsky manifestations. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:52:52 PM 772 Views
I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM 780 Views
The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM 754 Views
Can you recommend one? Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:55:56 PM 1036 Views
"One" is where it starts to get harder. Tom - 23/10/2010 01:45:03 AM 768 Views
Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history. Legolas - 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM 698 Views
Nikolai and Pavel - I love them. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM 858 Views
Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM 820 Views
Ah, that's a good point. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:54:56 PM 691 Views
The women Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:18:45 PM 790 Views
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