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Re: Agreed. nossy Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM
So you read it as suicide as well? We are now the majority


And yes, I agree. Not only did he mishandle the autopsy, he failed to cauterise the wound and then pretended not to be sick for ages. There is so much ... lack of agency there. Which I suppose is what defines him. Hmm. May be onto something here. In one of the early conversations with Pavel Petrovich he says something about not acting. And in the end that is what kills him.

I googled. There is quite a bit of discussion on the topic. It bothered me because he pushes his father to be ... more accurate? of a doctor, but then once his despair really settles in, he suddenly makes a major mistake? Either way, it's tragic, but I wouldn't mind if my brain would think of it the way Tom described above.
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Russian Book Club: Fathers and Sons by Turgenev. Tom - 17/10/2010 01:39:16 AM 1025 Views
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never mind *NM* Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:16 PM 352 Views
The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:28:29 PM 752 Views
Re: The novel is very interested in inter-generational issues. Camilla - 17/10/2010 11:59:37 PM 831 Views
oh, and nossy - 17/10/2010 06:42:38 PM 741 Views
Re: oh, and Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:09:10 AM 718 Views
I like the way you said that nossy - 19/10/2010 05:31:05 AM 760 Views
Re: I like the way you said that Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:24:00 AM 714 Views
I had pretty much the same reaction as you. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:05:37 PM 792 Views
Arkady Camilla - 17/10/2010 02:15:54 PM 705 Views
Well, that makes sense Tom - 17/10/2010 05:12:09 PM 702 Views
Re: Well, that makes sense Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:04:05 AM 714 Views
According to a footnote in my (Dutch) copy... Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:55:22 PM 737 Views
Ясень and ясный Tom - 18/10/2010 11:41:24 PM 722 Views
See, I liked Arkady nossy - 17/10/2010 06:08:57 PM 646 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Camilla - 18/10/2010 12:13:49 AM 686 Views
hm. nossy - 18/10/2010 01:06:44 AM 789 Views
Re: hm. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:46:23 AM 935 Views
Re: hm. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:38:02 AM 743 Views
Re: See, I liked Arkady Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:51:59 PM 690 Views
Re: Arkady Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:09:14 PM 730 Views
Oh...Rebekah, I was going to mention that I saw your post only much later because I was very drunk. Tom - 17/10/2010 05:13:41 PM 733 Views
Heh, no worries. Rebekah - 18/10/2010 11:07:00 AM 665 Views
Good book. nossy - 17/10/2010 06:37:16 PM 756 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:55:11 AM 829 Views
Re: Agreed. nossy - 19/10/2010 06:02:18 AM 753 Views
Re: Agreed. Camilla - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM 661 Views
I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Legolas - 18/10/2010 11:03:37 PM 722 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:31:40 PM 792 Views
Re: I didn't think Odintsova trapped him. nossy - 19/10/2010 05:13:26 AM 722 Views
I think you might be overanalyzing the birch tree statement. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:45:12 PM 691 Views
I disagree nossy - 19/10/2010 05:27:07 AM 746 Views
I loved it. Great book. Legolas - 18/10/2010 10:49:27 PM 677 Views
Re: I loved it. Great book. Camilla - 18/10/2010 11:33:42 PM 660 Views
I think it's very relevant. It's also unusually un-Russian. Tom - 18/10/2010 11:54:03 PM 652 Views
Yeah... the Russian nobility at the time seems to have been kind of un-Russian, really. Legolas - 20/10/2010 04:03:34 PM 723 Views
It felt very Russian to me as well Camilla - 20/10/2010 04:12:50 PM 655 Views
There was little of the usual ... histrionics that happen in Russian novels. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:02:12 PM 717 Views
Most of the histrionics are Dostoevsky manifestations. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:52:52 PM 752 Views
I really wish I'd bought a properly annotated version. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:07:16 PM 759 Views
The answer to that is to just read a great book on Nineteenth Century Russian history. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:55:06 PM 733 Views
Can you recommend one? Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:55:56 PM 1010 Views
"One" is where it starts to get harder. Tom - 23/10/2010 01:45:03 AM 743 Views
Not just Russian, though, there's a lot of mentions of other European history. Legolas - 22/10/2010 11:19:28 PM 676 Views
Nikolai and Pavel - I love them. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:14:11 PM 832 Views
Perhaps it's Pavel's "The Chap"-ish nature that makes the novel seem less Russian to me. Tom - 22/10/2010 10:53:56 PM 798 Views
Ah, that's a good point. Rebekah - 22/10/2010 10:54:56 PM 669 Views
The women Rebekah - 22/10/2010 07:18:45 PM 765 Views
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