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Re: Agreed. Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 09:26:25 AM
So you read it as suicide as well? We are now the majority :|

:P

And yes, I agree. Not only did he mishandle the autopsy, he failed to cauterise the wound and then pretended not to be sick for ages. There is so much ... lack of agency there. Which I suppose is what defines him. Hmm. May be onto something here. In one of the early conversations with Pavel Petrovich he says something about not acting. And in the end that is what kills him.

I googled. There is quite a bit of discussion on the topic. It bothered me because he pushes his father to be ... more accurate? of a doctor, but then once his despair really settles in, he suddenly makes a major mistake? Either way, it's tragic, but I wouldn't mind if my brain would think of it the way Tom described above.


Yes. I am perfectly able to see it as a suicide not done consciously -- a subconscious suicide? Alliteration is fun. But I cannot bring myself to see it as an accident.
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