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You're the one who doesn't care. Dan Send a noteboard - 09/11/2010 11:02:11 PM
The fact that I have to argue it with you shows how much you've changed over the past few years. It's rather sad.


Do you think that poetry deserves a wider readership?

I assume you mean a wider, non-required reading readership?


Answer the question. It's valid on its own even if it's vague your taste. Simply asking another question is condescending.

Do bookstores with no designated poetry section but entire shelves full of Ayn Rand and Bibles make you angry?

Don't get the part about Bibles, especially since the Bible contains some truly wonderful poetry of its own. Rand I could do without, though.

If you had a beautiful little bookstore and could stock it with whatever you wanted, wouldn't you have a section devoted to poetry?

In how many languages? Most of my favorite poems aren't in English, despite English being my native language.


She asked a pretty direct question there. Instead you shoehorn the fact that you can read multiple languages into the conversation, all without answering.

Why is poetry important?

For the same reason other forms of literature are important


Another condescending question to answer a question. Still no answer. It's not stupid to suggest a particular form of literature has particular importance.

What are your favorite poems?

Quite a few from Bécquer, Rubén Darío, Rilke, Catullus, Ariosto, etc. Not bothering to list particular poems since I'm not going to spend a long time looking up all the poems I like.

Who are your favorite poets?

See above.

How did you discover them?

Combination of literature courses, foreign language courses, and independent study over the past two decades or so.


Why should I read them? I am compiling a christmas list, and need to know.

Unless you read Spanish, Latin, or German, you couldn't read them as they ought to be read.


Still another non-answer, and more shoehorning. She asked why these poems ought to be read, not whether she could read them. It's in tremendously bad faith to simply answer in terms of one's supposed inability, rather than speaking to the merit of the poems themselves, which is not an unreasonable question. It's in even worse faith that you willfully discounted the merits of translation, however limiting it might be. It's in absolutely terrible faith that you selected ONLY non-english poets to bring into the conversation started by a poet who is an english speaker. One less charitable than I would think you did the last simply to have one final parting shot at the end of the survey. One less charitable than I might conclude that you sound like a bitter High School teacher passive-aggressively bullying people online for showing unguarded enthusiasm about something they've staked an implicit claim on.
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Answers from someone indifferent. - 08/11/2010 02:57:38 AM 1106 Views
Poetry - 08/11/2010 03:17:15 AM 1185 Views
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This is why people dislike you. - 09/11/2010 07:03:17 PM 1139 Views
Umm...I care? - 09/11/2010 08:42:55 PM 1107 Views
Because you should care about being intelligent, rather than appearing to be intelligent. - 09/11/2010 10:32:04 PM 1144 Views
Again, why would I care? - 09/11/2010 10:38:21 PM 1149 Views
No one can make you care about being decent, or intelligent, or a viable member of the community. - 09/11/2010 10:41:34 PM 1066 Views
I think it's rather pointless, to be honest. - 09/11/2010 10:54:17 PM 1105 Views
Then why are you even here? - 09/11/2010 10:59:49 PM 1059 Views
I don't know. I thought I'd see how long I could string you along. - 09/11/2010 11:00:37 PM 990 Views
You're the one who doesn't care. - 09/11/2010 11:02:11 PM 1029 Views
I care only as much as I care. What others think is irrelevant to that. - 09/11/2010 11:04:15 PM 1040 Views
But you're still responding to me. - 09/11/2010 11:05:37 PM 1092 Views
Because I'm stringing you out until you quit. - 09/11/2010 11:10:18 PM 1125 Views
I'm not going to. I find this entertaining. - 09/11/2010 11:12:27 PM 1087 Views
I do as well. It's fun pretending to be an asshole, I'll admit. - 09/11/2010 11:17:34 PM 1066 Views
Come now, who's pretending? - 09/11/2010 11:22:18 PM 1075 Views
That is officially the last one before I start editing and making them NM. *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:24:12 PM 503 Views
Word. *NM* *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:29:37 PM 423 Views
Me, most of the time - 09/11/2010 11:40:26 PM 1065 Views
Keep telling yourself that. *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:46:34 PM 937 Views
Why would I? It's not something I think much about these days. Again, what others think is trivial. *NM* - 10/11/2010 12:01:03 AM 526 Views
What about THE Other? *NM* - 10/11/2010 12:16:53 AM 461 Views
I'm not going to quote Sartre here...this time. *NM* - 10/11/2010 12:20:22 AM 458 Views
Are you 5? - 09/11/2010 11:14:26 PM 935 Views
See my original point. *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:15:30 PM 455 Views
Nah - 09/11/2010 11:15:48 PM 1182 Views
But you were asked about it originally. That was my point. - 09/11/2010 11:23:25 PM 1002 Views
And I was evasive about it at the time. When pressed, I answered more fully. - 09/11/2010 11:48:27 PM 1054 Views
Why be evasive? - 10/11/2010 12:16:19 AM 1178 Views
Ye gods. Could you people at the very, very least make your messages NM? - 09/11/2010 11:17:25 PM 1039 Views
But that takes the fun out of this! *NM* - 09/11/2010 11:21:25 PM 494 Views
Re: Best one liner of the threadjack. - 10/11/2010 12:37:27 AM 1206 Views
I disagree with your claim that there can be no value in translations. - 09/11/2010 08:51:20 PM 1060 Views
Not "no value", but "different value" is what I would argue - 09/11/2010 09:55:54 PM 1135 Views
An English translation of The Divine Comedy was pivotal to my conversion to Christianity. - 10/11/2010 11:04:57 AM 993 Views
Dante has a lot to answer for. *NM* - 10/11/2010 08:21:19 PM 446 Views
Ah, but to whom...? - 10/11/2010 09:17:16 PM 1021 Views
K. - 08/11/2010 04:35:56 AM 1213 Views
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Nothing wrong with humorous redundancy! - 09/11/2010 01:10:02 AM 1021 Views
Ooh, good survey. I've been thinking for a while we needed more poetry discussion. - 08/11/2010 10:58:24 AM 1246 Views
I think you underestimate the number of translations of the Bible. - 09/11/2010 01:20:30 AM 1217 Views
Did they just translate logos as... life-light? - 09/11/2010 07:14:28 PM 1104 Views
Yes. Yes, they did. *NM* - 09/11/2010 09:56:09 PM 414 Views
*sighs* - 09/11/2010 10:28:49 PM 990 Views
My favourite translation of logos is "point of it all". - 10/11/2010 05:12:05 PM 1370 Views
Interersting - 08/11/2010 05:14:41 PM 1115 Views
I can count the poems I enjoy on one hand. Two fingers, in fact. - 08/11/2010 06:05:22 PM 1097 Views
I think poetry is largely overrated. - 08/11/2010 06:12:59 PM 1181 Views
And you are basing this on extensive non-reading of poetry? *NM* - 09/11/2010 08:57:06 PM 392 Views
Basing what, exactly? But the short answer is, no. - 10/11/2010 05:48:28 PM 1122 Views
the problem is most good poets are dead and dead people tend to fail at marketing - 08/11/2010 06:44:18 PM 1120 Views
Re: Poetry: - 08/11/2010 07:04:01 PM 1044 Views
I like some poetry, but by no means all. - 09/11/2010 12:28:41 AM 1233 Views
Now that you mention it, The Imperfect Enjoyment might rank among my favourite poems. *NM* - 09/11/2010 12:46:56 AM 452 Views
It is excellent - 09/11/2010 08:16:01 PM 1217 Views
Re: It is excellent - 09/11/2010 10:53:24 PM 1056 Views
Re: It is excellent - 09/11/2010 10:58:23 PM 1164 Views
Just remembered my favourite poem - 09/11/2010 10:50:03 PM 1155 Views
That is very nice *NM* - 09/11/2010 10:59:53 PM 548 Views
I'll answer this unnumbered survey. - 10/11/2010 01:37:50 AM 1222 Views
Read: Poetry: - 10/11/2010 12:08:42 PM 1151 Views
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I can't believe I forgot to mention Leonard Cohen. *NM* - 12/11/2010 04:33:15 AM 449 Views

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