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I think that's a fair point. Legolas Send a noteboard - 24/05/2011 07:00:04 PM

Now look at the black characters. They are shown to be uniformly respectful, good-natured and innocent. The oppression that they faced may have played a role in making Southern black society more polite, but I suspect that Lee is also unwittingly falling into the "noble savage" motif. The blacks in the book are victims, but they are also stereotyped and consciously set aside as being different.

I've always thought it to be a shame that Calpurnia does not get more attention than she does, because she seems to be the only black character in the book who does not fit your description.

While Lee may have also written the characters this way to make a point, the end result is that the book's statement against racism is weakened for it. It would have been a far more powerful book if Atticus had defended a guilty black man at some point as well, and had to explain to Scout that people of any color can be good or bad.

I don't know about that - a stronger book as far as decrying racism goes perhaps, or at least a more nuanced one, but it might've convoluted things enough to make the result less memorable, and the book less successful.

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To Kill a Mockingbird by Nelle Harper Lee Camilla - 22/05/2011 06:28:11 PM 9076 Views

I reviewed it last year Larry - 22/05/2011 07:45:48 PM 2328 Views

Huh. I seem to have missed that. Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:17:11 PM 2249 Views

As you noted, though, it's a fuller depiction of the South than "racist people." Ghavrel - 23/05/2011 12:00:01 AM 2222 Views

It's a beautiful, incredible book. Rebekah - 22/05/2011 08:21:48 PM 2158 Views

Re: It's a beautiful, incredible book. Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:18:32 PM 2101 Views

Also Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:33:27 PM 2107 Views

Don't you think that, you know, too many people have read it already? Legolas - 23/05/2011 09:55:52 PM 2201 Views

Re: Don't you think that, you know, too many people have read it already? Camilla - 24/05/2011 12:05:11 AM 2289 Views

Does that disqualify it? Sareitha Sedai - 24/05/2011 01:49:54 PM 2131 Views

I don't know, if a lot of people want to have this book in a Book Club, I have no objections. Legolas - 24/05/2011 07:01:38 PM 2176 Views

Well, that's true. Sareitha Sedai - 25/05/2011 01:20:54 PM 2258 Views

Loved that book. Tashmere - 22/05/2011 09:07:16 PM 2153 Views

Re: Loved that book. Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:19:29 PM 2139 Views

A great book Beqi - 22/05/2011 09:13:12 PM 2193 Views

Re: A great book Camilla - 22/05/2011 11:20:02 PM 2136 Views

“Miss Jean Louise, stand up. Your father’s passin’.” *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2011 12:03:34 AM 1078 Views

Indeed. *NM* Camilla - 23/05/2011 09:37:38 AM 1090 Views

Bah. This seems like a lame book. It will never catch on. Cannoli - 23/05/2011 01:31:10 AM 2286 Views

LOL *NM* Rebekah - 23/05/2011 08:36:55 AM 1074 Views

Hehehe. *NM* Camilla - 23/05/2011 09:38:03 AM 1127 Views

Um, there's already a rfilm version of this. Panorphaeon - 23/05/2011 01:11:36 PM 2010 Views

Suspect he knows that.

*NM* Rebekah - 23/05/2011 01:15:46 PM 1095 Views

Boy, that sarcastic subtext can be so hard to grasp in this virtual madness. *NM* Panorphaeon - 25/05/2011 06:49:03 AM 1105 Views

I don't think I've ever met anyone who doesn't like this book. *NM* Darth_Katie - 23/05/2011 09:37:52 AM 1087 Views

So it survives being taught in school? Camilla - 23/05/2011 09:39:18 AM 2126 Views

Yup. *NM* Darth_Katie - 23/05/2011 02:47:17 PM 1104 Views

I've met some, but it was a casualty of middle school English. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2011 07:40:27 PM 1011 Views

One of my nieces didn't like it. I think it was because she was forced to read it for school. Tashmere - 24/05/2011 02:33:23 AM 2369 Views

Re: One of my nieces didn't like it. I think it was because she was forced to read it for school. Camilla - 24/05/2011 10:15:45 AM 2314 Views

I will try to keep an eye out for it. Thanks.

*NM* Tashmere - 11/06/2011 08:27:23 PM 1088 Views

Thanks for the review.

Legolas - 23/05/2011 10:07:46 PM 2499 Views

Re: Thanks for the review.

Camilla - 24/05/2011 12:14:08 AM 2251 Views

Let me ask the politically incorrect questions, since no one else has. Tom - 24/05/2011 03:14:50 AM 2347 Views

I don't understand why having a guilty black man would have made it more powerful. Ghavrel - 24/05/2011 05:59:17 AM 2309 Views

Hmm Camilla - 24/05/2011 10:22:50 AM 2247 Views

I could see your argument if Tolkien were writing about feminism. Tom - 24/05/2011 02:15:42 PM 2257 Views

I think that's a fair point. Legolas - 24/05/2011 07:00:04 PM 2270 Views

Calpurnia is a stereotype too. Tom - 24/05/2011 11:54:26 PM 2149 Views

The difference, at least in my recollection, is that Calpurnia is well-educated. Legolas - 25/05/2011 08:09:58 PM 2129 Views

Re: The difference, at least in my recollection, is that Calpurnia is well-educated. Camilla - 25/05/2011 10:59:26 PM 2223 Views

Yes. This. *NM* Tom - 26/05/2011 04:56:48 AM 1005 Views

I think there was at least once incident showing a racist black person ßelals Girl - 24/05/2011 07:33:09 PM 2405 Views

Almost a non-incident Tom - 24/05/2011 08:51:59 PM 2016 Views

I think it was written to accomplish a goal and it did that very well random thoughts - 25/05/2011 04:08:17 PM 2185 Views

Given your introductory portion aerocontrols - 11/06/2011 01:28:40 AM 2183 Views

It just occurred to me aerocontrols - 11/06/2011 01:30:05 AM 2161 Views

Re: It just occurred to me Camilla - 11/06/2011 11:36:21 AM 2200 Views

I have read both Camilla - 11/06/2011 11:35:11 AM 1999 Views

All of Twain's stuff is great aerocontrols - 13/06/2011 02:27:55 AM 2256 Views

Re: All of Twain's stuff is great Camilla - 13/06/2011 08:17:05 AM 2126 Views

And some poets - Tennyson and Yeats come to mind. *NM* Legolas - 13/06/2011 10:11:31 AM 995 Views

Keats? Camilla - 13/06/2011 10:14:58 AM 2213 Views

I have to say... Legolas - 13/06/2011 05:27:26 PM 2064 Views

Re: I have to say... Camilla - 13/06/2011 05:54:45 PM 2177 Views

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<quote id="209218">Now look at the black characters.  They are shown to be uniformly respectful, good-natured and innocent.  The oppression that they faced may have played a role in making Southern black society more polite, but I suspect that Lee is also unwittingly falling into the "noble savage" motif.  The blacks in the book are victims, but they are also stereotyped and consciously set aside as being different.</quote>
I've always thought it to be a shame that Calpurnia does not get more attention than she does, because she seems to be the only black character in the book who does not fit your description. 
<quote id="209218">While Lee may have also written the characters this way to make a point, the end result is that the book's statement against racism is weakened for it.  It would have been a far more powerful book if Atticus had defended a guilty black man at some point as well, and had to explain to Scout that people of any color can be good or bad.</quote>
I don't know about that - a stronger book as far as decrying racism goes perhaps, or at least a more nuanced one, but it might've convoluted things enough to make the result less memorable, and the book less successful. 
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