She kind of conflates some issues that are quite different, if you ask me.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 06/06/2011 08:47:33 PM
How else can one manage to complain both about the likes of Meyer and about overly realistic and bleak YA writers in the same article? Sure, both groups of books have violence and certain "dark" elements in them, but that's about where the similarity ends. I haven't really read any of Meyer's imitators and rivals, but I would imagine that most of them aren't too far removed from her syrupy, fairy-tale approach to romance and human relationships.
The other group, by whom I'm not sure I've read anything at all (so my comments may have to be taken with a few grains of salt), seems like they write books of rather more merit, books that aim to be realistic and a long way from fairy tales - albeit realistic with an exaggerated focus on the darker side of society.
One can criticize both genres, but it'd have to be for entirely different reasons. Tom made some interesting points in his reply about adolescents these days, who certainly are a bit nihilistic and cynical in some ways, and about how that shouldn't really be encouraged further by this kind of literature. And one can also argue that Meyer and her ilk encourage another trend that shouldn't be encouraged: the tendency to expect success and happiness to come falling into one's lap without any effort, the lack of ambition or even laziness. I suppose these two things aren't contradictory as such, but they're certainly entirely different problems.
And I get the impression that the reason for Gurdon's amalgam is simply ignorance of what she's writing about, the kind of ignorant prejudice that, say, makes some people reject all heavy metal (or rock music, back in the day) - or, perhaps more relevant on this site, genre literature. It's not quite on a level with that ridiculous review of Game of Thrones that somehow made it into the New York Times a few months ago, but it kind of seems to go in that direction.
As for whether adults should restrict what children read... parents should take an interest in what their children read, of course, and if the parents aren't really doing that, it's great if some teachers or others try to fill the void a bit. And in some cases, trying to keep a child from reading a book can be entirely justified, even if it brings that risk of making the forbidden fruit more attractive. I just wish people would be more intelligent and discerning in their censorship, and not try to ban books for such idiotic reasons, profane language top on the list, and sexual content not far behind. There are books with little to no profanity or explicit sexuality that are far worse to read for children or adolescents than other books that have loads of profanity and sex. For instance, Kundera's Unbearable Lightness of Being has quite a bit of sex, but I'd have no problem with young adolescents reading it - if they want to read it, and like what they read, then clearly they're ready for it, even if there will no doubt be many things that elude them on that first read. (I just realized that's essentially the same argument beetnemesis made in a post higher up - but I want to clarify that I only think the statement valid for certain books, and definitely not for others).
And then of course the next question is how a parent with limited time can make such a judgement about some recent book that he/she hasn't read. Warning labels can tell you "this book contains sex/violence/profanity", but they can't tell you if the book is an Unbearable Lightness or a Sexual Life of Catherine M (and damn, that book was awful), or whether it condemns violence or glorifies it. They're clearly far inferior to reading reviews or asking librarians/teachers' advice, but perhaps they serve some purpose for those parents who don't have time for or ready access to such advice, even if they inevitably throw out some good things along with the bad.
The other group, by whom I'm not sure I've read anything at all (so my comments may have to be taken with a few grains of salt), seems like they write books of rather more merit, books that aim to be realistic and a long way from fairy tales - albeit realistic with an exaggerated focus on the darker side of society.
One can criticize both genres, but it'd have to be for entirely different reasons. Tom made some interesting points in his reply about adolescents these days, who certainly are a bit nihilistic and cynical in some ways, and about how that shouldn't really be encouraged further by this kind of literature. And one can also argue that Meyer and her ilk encourage another trend that shouldn't be encouraged: the tendency to expect success and happiness to come falling into one's lap without any effort, the lack of ambition or even laziness. I suppose these two things aren't contradictory as such, but they're certainly entirely different problems.
And I get the impression that the reason for Gurdon's amalgam is simply ignorance of what she's writing about, the kind of ignorant prejudice that, say, makes some people reject all heavy metal (or rock music, back in the day) - or, perhaps more relevant on this site, genre literature. It's not quite on a level with that ridiculous review of Game of Thrones that somehow made it into the New York Times a few months ago, but it kind of seems to go in that direction.
As for whether adults should restrict what children read... parents should take an interest in what their children read, of course, and if the parents aren't really doing that, it's great if some teachers or others try to fill the void a bit. And in some cases, trying to keep a child from reading a book can be entirely justified, even if it brings that risk of making the forbidden fruit more attractive. I just wish people would be more intelligent and discerning in their censorship, and not try to ban books for such idiotic reasons, profane language top on the list, and sexual content not far behind. There are books with little to no profanity or explicit sexuality that are far worse to read for children or adolescents than other books that have loads of profanity and sex. For instance, Kundera's Unbearable Lightness of Being has quite a bit of sex, but I'd have no problem with young adolescents reading it - if they want to read it, and like what they read, then clearly they're ready for it, even if there will no doubt be many things that elude them on that first read. (I just realized that's essentially the same argument beetnemesis made in a post higher up - but I want to clarify that I only think the statement valid for certain books, and definitely not for others).
And then of course the next question is how a parent with limited time can make such a judgement about some recent book that he/she hasn't read. Warning labels can tell you "this book contains sex/violence/profanity", but they can't tell you if the book is an Unbearable Lightness or a Sexual Life of Catherine M (and damn, that book was awful), or whether it condemns violence or glorifies it. They're clearly far inferior to reading reviews or asking librarians/teachers' advice, but perhaps they serve some purpose for those parents who don't have time for or ready access to such advice, even if they inevitably throw out some good things along with the bad.
This message last edited by Legolas on 06/06/2011 at 10:29:08 PM
This WSJ article has kicked up a huge fuss on the internet - YA is "too dark".
- 05/06/2011 03:46:50 PM
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There's only one thing about this literature that disturbs me
- 05/06/2011 05:39:35 PM
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This is a thought out, finely articulated response.
- 05/06/2011 06:47:13 PM
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If it were just vampires that would be just fine
- 05/06/2011 08:03:02 PM
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People have been complaining about this since the novel was invented
- 05/06/2011 11:02:58 PM
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Apparently the article did paint far too bleak a picture,
- 06/06/2011 12:39:46 PM
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Why waste time with "YA literature" at all?
- 06/06/2011 02:14:03 PM
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Re: Why waste time with "YA literature" at all?
- 06/06/2011 02:28:42 PM
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I think that's a post factum justification, not a reason.
- 06/06/2011 05:08:09 PM
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Maybe. It's hard to separate, I think.
- 07/06/2011 01:06:29 PM
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One certainly has to choose the real literature to present, certainly.
- 07/06/2011 02:27:00 PM
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Very good post.
- 06/06/2011 08:52:22 PM
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You seem to be the only one who thinks so.
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- 07/06/2011 01:17:18 AM
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- 07/06/2011 01:17:18 AM
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I don't think it's a bad post... I just think that the "despair" is a teen fad, and not as bad as
- 07/06/2011 03:19:03 AM
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Suicide rates have gone up significantly
- 07/06/2011 02:42:55 PM
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Heh.
- 08/06/2011 07:24:44 PM
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you are having trouble finding cultural ideas that turned bad?
- 08/06/2011 11:56:23 PM
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The classic problem of the overprotective parent- underestimating your kids
- 09/06/2011 05:33:54 AM
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the classic problem of people who have no idea what they are talking about
- 09/06/2011 04:16:25 PM
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Are you really equating reading about trauma with trauma? They are not the same. *NM*
- 09/06/2011 07:10:34 PM
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I'm sure the percentage of good books must be higher than they make it sound,
- 05/06/2011 05:53:21 PM
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I'd say books offer a fundamentally different experience than movies
- 05/06/2011 06:53:55 PM
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I'm not sure that makes a difference here.
- 06/06/2011 04:47:05 AM
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Because thinking makes you LESS susceptible to these things you're afraid of
- 06/06/2011 05:27:26 PM
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I don't completely agree with that.
- 06/06/2011 07:26:21 PM
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I feel like I just can't relate to parents determined to shelter their kids from everything
- 06/06/2011 10:21:44 PM
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To think the content described is acceptable, when they ban "Huck Finn" for using 'nigger'.
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- 05/06/2011 09:45:15 PM
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CNN: "On a website, a person named 'Macharius' used the 'N-word'".
- 06/06/2011 01:58:35 AM
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Parents have the right and resonsibility to know what their children are reading
- 06/06/2011 03:41:22 AM
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Re: Parents have the right and resonsibility to know what their children are reading
- 06/06/2011 12:40:24 PM
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I'd argue if you're old enough to be interested in the subject matter, you're old enough to read it
- 06/06/2011 05:32:33 PM
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Depends on the subject matter.
- 07/06/2011 01:07:57 PM
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Basically? Yes.
- 07/06/2011 06:42:04 PM
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why do think there is value in letting them read whatever they want?
- 07/06/2011 06:52:20 PM
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Don't be an idiot.
- 09/06/2011 05:25:26 AM
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Well, I wrote a long piece related to this
- 06/06/2011 05:21:06 AM
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Great post. She really tries to muddy the waters relating to censorship and parenting.
- 06/06/2011 08:05:21 AM
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She kind of conflates some issues that are quite different, if you ask me.
- 06/06/2011 08:47:33 PM
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Wait wait wait wait wait... NYT reviewed Game of Thrones? I must read this
- 07/06/2011 03:20:08 AM
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Having now read one of the books mentioned, Cheryl Rainfield's Scars...
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