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Re: Since you touch on the subject - the show has made me rethink Varys completely. dacole Send a noteboard - 09/04/2012 03:01:01 AM
Hrmm the people with it being about the Stark's redemption is who do we have left...Bran who at the end of the last book was becoming a tree (which will make him more powerful but only in a very specific way..still wonder if the death he witnessed as a tree was somehow important) Alya who is becoming a hired killer and John who is on the wall...I guess you could count their mother though she is undead really...oh well there is Sansa hmm she could be part of a redemption I guess as queen of the vale but the guy she has controlling her really is the closest we have to evil. I mean he did basically start this whole thing simply for his own advancement. The spider at least did seem to be looking out for the small folk to some extent...I don't know if this is going to be their redemption not much to work with. Are we completely away from parallels with the war of the roses...can that bit of history tell us anything?

If I ever realized all of this while reading the book, I certainly don't remember it now - and I'm left wanting to reread the books to see if it's as clear there: that Varys' reason for supporting a Targaryen restoration from the start is quite simply that he figures it's the only way to restore order in the long run, having a foreign dynasty rule the kingdoms with an iron fist so that the local kings/lords don't keep warring with each other (as doubtful as that theory may be in the light of the Dance of Dragons, Blackfyre rebellion and other intra-Targaryen twists that involved massive bloodshed). And that restoring order, and protecting the small people, is Varys' primary motivation.


I think it was yes, the speech he gave Ned stark in the show right before they killed him when he said that he wouldn't sneak him out was pretty much lifted directly from the books I believe. Now can we believe that speech? I don't know but I don't think the show has drastically changed his character.
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prediciton for the end of the game of throne novels - 03/04/2012 01:36:50 AM 2137 Views
That was my thought. - 03/04/2012 04:22:26 PM 1468 Views
I think there is something deeper going on - 03/04/2012 09:08:51 PM 1556 Views
That would be so predictable and boring that I sincerely hope you are wrong. *NM* - 03/04/2012 09:15:35 PM 696 Views
This. Plus: - 05/04/2012 10:44:07 AM 1942 Views
Re: This. Plus: - 05/04/2012 02:02:34 PM 1501 Views
assuming R+L=J - 06/04/2012 04:26:23 AM 1595 Views
I have been thinking about the endings too, and it has gotten me a bit concerned. - 04/04/2012 04:43:08 PM 1568 Views
I think you're right there. - 04/04/2012 06:48:13 PM 1527 Views
LOL - I figured that. - 04/04/2012 07:05:58 PM 1446 Views
Re: LOL - I figured that. - 05/04/2012 06:14:28 AM 1426 Views
I like to think House Stark comes out on top - 05/04/2012 10:50:12 AM 1933 Views
Re: I like to think House Stark comes out on top - 05/04/2012 02:07:54 PM 1626 Views
Re: I like to think House Stark comes out on top - 06/04/2012 12:11:14 AM 1585 Views
We are completely away from the Wars of the Roses, yes. - 06/04/2012 05:24:33 PM 1722 Views
Since you touch on the subject - the show has made me rethink Varys completely. - 06/04/2012 09:16:31 PM 1629 Views
Re: Since you touch on the subject - the show has made me rethink Varys completely. - 09/04/2012 03:01:01 AM 1466 Views
Minor spoiler if you haven't read the last book - 17/04/2012 03:36:41 PM 1437 Views
I doubt it. - 17/04/2012 03:44:00 PM 1526 Views
Re: I doubt it. - 24/04/2012 06:04:54 AM 1442 Views
no way - 23/04/2012 06:42:17 PM 1335 Views

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