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Mary's still presented as better than Lydia and their mother. Kind of. Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/04/2012 08:40:40 PM
Love Hardy. Read some of his other books (except Tess, couldn't, not knowing what happens and Hardy makes me feel plenty as it is) and Jude made the biggest impact.

I saw that movie, which is enough to make me never, ever want to read the book. I do intend to read Far From the Madding Crowd and some others though.
Mary: So it's not just bookishness, it's also poor social skills. So what? She never hurt anyone. Given all the anti-bullying campaigns, people are surprisingly quick to defend it whenever they do see it happen- it's as if "real" bullying occurs in a vacuum. It doesn't. Many times the object/victim of the bullying has done some something to be seen as the appropriate object/victim. That doesn't make it ok.

Mr. Bennet says at one point in the book something to the effect of "I have two, no, I should say three, very silly daughters". He considers Mary as silly, yes, but not as much so as her sisters. Of course the thing with Mary is that even her "silly" sisters and mother like to pick on her, but then, that is hardly approved of by the author, or by the heroines Elizabeth and Jane.

She's a female counterpart to Mr. Collins, really - on the few occasions that she gets the opportunity to proclaim her views, she does so nearly as pompously and overbearingly as he does. Of course Mr. Collins ends up in a far better place than she does, but then Austen's books just aren't fair when it comes to comparing men and women, seeing how the society they are set in wasn't. Reading books isn't her flaw; the religious obsession and pomposity are. If you want to read about what happens when Austen makes a similar character into her heroine and glorifies her, I suggest you read Mansfield Park. But somehow I rather doubt you'll like it more.
Edit: hahaha, that totally explains why I couldn't enjoy Pride and Prejudice- I didn't see myself as Elizabeth, I totally put myself in Mary's shoes. I will naturally identify with the person that is worst off. This doesn't interfere with the author's vision when it's someone like Hardy- his protaganist is usually the one worst off. Conversely, this is why I couldn't read Martin.

That's an odd way to read books... though very noble, to be sure.
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Just read Pride and Prejudice again. - 25/04/2012 04:21:27 PM 1406 Views
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I know. - 25/04/2012 10:16:58 PM 925 Views
Re: I know. - 01/05/2012 06:31:21 PM 1242 Views
I love Thomas Hardy. - 25/04/2012 08:33:41 PM 1027 Views
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that's what I always thought as well - 25/04/2012 11:42:29 PM 1128 Views
Jude the Obscure. - 26/04/2012 03:10:25 AM 1175 Views
Mary's still presented as better than Lydia and their mother. Kind of. - 26/04/2012 08:40:40 PM 1084 Views
I love Pride and Prejudice! - 26/04/2012 01:20:18 AM 1055 Views
Me too. <3 Darcy *NM* - 27/04/2012 10:42:14 PM 432 Views
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I think it's all cheating. - 26/04/2012 11:22:31 PM 1197 Views
I don't know. - 27/04/2012 12:06:00 AM 1092 Views
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Clearly, it did work. - 26/04/2012 10:43:00 PM 1186 Views
Jane Eyre is bad chick lit. - 27/04/2012 05:59:55 PM 997 Views
I do too. - 27/04/2012 10:44:13 PM 967 Views
I think it's great - 26/04/2012 04:16:52 AM 1000 Views
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You're not alone. - 27/04/2012 01:16:12 PM 1109 Views
I agree with what others have said - 27/04/2012 02:30:31 PM 1080 Views
Dialogue, wit, characters. The plot and descriptive prose are merely functional, true. - 27/04/2012 11:26:27 PM 973 Views
The dialogue, wit, and characters I am not puzzled about. - 28/04/2012 03:17:37 AM 1103 Views
That was Dom, you'll have to ask him. - 28/04/2012 10:30:17 AM 1398 Views

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