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Any recommendations for reading Old French? Tom Send a noteboard - 19/02/2013 01:17:09 AM
I realized that, because I had bought so many books that had a dual Old French-Modern French format, I might as well just learn the differences and oddities, and the book that I've been reading, Old French by William Kibler, is just amazingly wonderful. The book assumes that you know modern French, Latin and general principles of linguistics and that you won't need to repeat crap with drills. It then presents aspects of Old French that are different from modern French from a grammatical standpoint, then from a syntactic standpoint, and finally it has a section at the end of each lesson about sound changes from Vulgar Latin, which really explains a whole HELL of a lot about how French got to be where it is.

I love the declension patterns, which aside from showing an intermediary step from Latin's five cases to the modern Romance lack of a case system for nouns also resolves some riddles. For example, "whore" became la pute in the nominative, but the oblique form was la putain (plural would be les putains in both nominative and oblique). Also, the move from /k/ > /tʃ/ > /ʃ/ for simple word-initial "c", explains how cacare became /tʃiakjer/ and then /tʃi'er/ and finally /ʃieʁ/, or chier, "to shit". The sound changes didn't just affect obscenities, but those are more interesting to write about than words like tela, which became toile. I guess the way li garz, "the boy", became le garçon in the oblique is interesting and non-obscene.

Anyway, I have the three volumes of the Pléiade Livre du Graal, their collection of the works of Chrétien de Troyes, their Tristan et Yseut compilation and their compilation of historical works from the Middle Ages (Froissart, Villehardouin et al.). I also have the Song of Roland and the Lays of Marie de France in crappier, non-Pléiade editions. Can anyone here (Larry? DomA?) recommend some other good works in Old French that would be worth reading?

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Any recommendations for reading Old French? - 19/02/2013 01:17:09 AM 1059 Views
Not too many outside the ones you've already said - 19/02/2013 02:20:23 AM 598 Views
Bertrand keeps cropping up - 19/02/2013 03:10:15 PM 631 Views
I can't find Bertrand in a good edition. - 23/02/2013 02:42:56 AM 582 Views
Hmmm... - 19/02/2013 05:02:50 AM 555 Views
The Larousse Old French Dictionary is on order, and I own Le Robert. - 19/02/2013 03:09:25 PM 564 Views
Re: The Larousse Old French Dictionary is on order, and I own Le Robert. - 19/02/2013 03:56:54 PM 795 Views
Good suggestion - 19/02/2013 07:05:58 PM 655 Views
Re: Good suggestion - 20/02/2013 12:01:00 AM 584 Views
I figured it was a cool sounding purchase either way. - 20/02/2013 01:11:06 AM 632 Views
Re: I figured it was a cool sounding purchase either way. - 20/02/2013 04:47:12 AM 619 Views
Actually, it's 195 pages - 20/02/2013 06:16:56 AM 535 Views
Oh, and I did finally get the Zorzi history of Venice - 20/02/2013 01:12:22 AM 496 Views
Is de Machaut Old French or Middle? - 19/02/2013 09:02:15 AM 524 Views
Probably Middle - 19/02/2013 03:12:11 PM 580 Views
A bit of both - 19/02/2013 03:15:32 PM 638 Views
They have a few of his poems in the anthology - I checked. - 20/02/2013 01:22:15 AM 818 Views
One of our friends works with Old French and Occitan and Oxford Uni at the moment. - 20/02/2013 04:14:36 PM 609 Views
Sure, why not? - 20/02/2013 04:59:01 PM 614 Views

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