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Re: Things really pick up now. Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/08/2013 10:56:37 PM

View original postI do feel, though, that Nazca was terrifically underutilised as a character and her death feels a little cheap to me. It's the problem I have with GRR Martin as well: deaths like that just seem to be there for shock value rather than really driving on the action. We didn't have enough time to get to know Nazca so it doesn't have the impact it might have done later. He could have killed off one of Barsavi's sons to equal effect on the reader, I think. For me, Locke's horror at her death just didn't ring quite true. I don't think Lynch wrote that very well.

If my recollection that you haven't read Martin beyond the first book is correct, then I can't agree with you - as I recall the deaths in that book, especially the big one, are very important, well plotted and crucial to the series. The later books have some rather more dubious ones.

Nazca being underused as a character - yes, definitely, but then character development is secondary to the cool plot in this book, although as the series goes on I expect that to change somewhat. Nate does raise a valid point, she probably would've had to die later in the book anyway, but I agree with you that her death seems both pointless plot-wise and not as impactful as it should be. I think the main purpose is to get both Locke and the reader to hate the Gray King and the Falconer, and make it clear that they are the bad guys - which one might otherwise have been inclined to overlook.

View original postThe Grey King is pretty scary. I'm trying to remember whether we find out who he is from Locke's vague feeling that he recognises him. Anyone want to remind me?

Sorry, no idea. Though if you ask me the overpowered Bondsmage makes the Gray King look like he barely has any assets of his own beyond whichever mysterious trump card that allows him to control the Bondsmage.

I just noticed that you're writing "Grey" because your copy really would say that, wouldn't it? One of the many American/British differences I never did get straight, I'd usually write "grey", but as this is an American copy, I guess I got used to seeing "Gray King".

View original postI really love Jean this time around. Definitely like him more than Locke. So I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the flashback interludes. The bits we've had so far have been good.

Interesting choice to make him both the secondary brain, so to speak, and the main muscle. At times he's made out to be almost like some kind of Porthos, but definitely a lot more intelligent.
View original postOne query: where are the women? I think Lynch has tried to give them more ... equality than they might usually get in SF/F, but where are the major female characters? Sabetha's off somewhere so she doesn't count. Nazca could have been more, but she's been bumped off. Is there anyone else?

Can't say I'm noticing much "more equality than they might usually get in SF/F", mostly they're just, as you note, less present than in most other series as the only halfway major female character so far just got killed? Those monster-fighting scenes and Barsavi's scary twin bodyguards do establish female fighters as a big thing in Camorr, but in a very different way from e.g. Steven Erikson's way of hammering on how his female soldiers aren't so different from male ones.

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