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Interesting. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM
Bringing down fantasy from epic scope to a character-based level doesn't really start happening until the time of Cook, if not Cook himself. There are still really strong ties between his work and present works. As you pointed out, Erikson is Black Company 2.0.


I am not disputing this. What I said was that Cook's influence cannot be that great as he was not published outside of North America for many years (until just a few years ago, in fact), whilst what he did for American fantasy was mirrored by what David Gemmell was doing in Britain and arguably Andrzej Sapkowski in Europe at the same time (the late 1980s/early 1990s).

It's a bit like Matt Stover, whose own books have never been published in Europe. Having people going on about the Caine books and how influential/important they are results in a lot of bemusement from British SF&F fans, whose reaction is mainly, "Who, that STAR WARS guy? What?"
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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 2139 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1858 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 934 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1665 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1787 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1661 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1817 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1678 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 942 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1817 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1701 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1625 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 774 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1420 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1755 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1560 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1642 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1596 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 690 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 853 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1602 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1521 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1669 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1696 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1584 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1503 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 910 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 1228 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1552 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 868 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 829 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1589 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1569 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1567 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1532 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 1329 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 750 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 776 Views
Re: Six best fantasy novels? Aeryn - 04/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 1687 Views
I really need to get around to reading Mists of Avalon. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 09:50:54 PM 1484 Views
Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1433 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1530 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 840 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 834 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1566 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1555 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1636 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1683 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 857 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1434 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1603 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1609 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1639 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1746 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1693 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 794 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 812 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1461 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1594 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1533 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1656 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1621 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1473 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 863 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 699 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1663 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1477 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1390 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1522 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1545 Views
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