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Currently, no. Not really. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 09/02/2010 06:57:14 PM
Most people these days who agree with "moral" reasons for the decay of empires aren't also anti-Christian.


I even wrote my undergraduate honors thesis refuting his conclusion about a "Fall". Socially and economically one can trace a gradual shift in power and influence from the secular aristocracy to the religious aristocracy in the Imperial urban centers in the west and the east - Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople. Transformation is a better word choice than Fall in the Western half anyway. At least till the 6th century when Justinian's reconquest destroyed Italy. It wasn't the Germans who led to the "Fall". It was the Greek speaking Romans of the East. And alas their demographic decline began with a serious plague in the 6th century that then allowd for the Arab conquests of the 7th century.

There are currently many avenues where one can dispute Gibbon. And the idea that Christianity somehow led to the downfall of "Rome" is currently a crazy idea.


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Dare I ask about the book club's next selection and timing? - 09/02/2010 02:49:56 AM 1527 Views
You dare too much! - 09/02/2010 02:51:48 AM 1268 Views
Based on the length of the last one, why not The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire? - 09/02/2010 01:29:13 PM 1164 Views
At least that one would have a bit more depth to it - 09/02/2010 01:46:29 PM 1179 Views
Does anyone agree with Gibbon's conclusions? - 09/02/2010 06:45:09 PM 1163 Views
Currently, no. Not really. - 09/02/2010 06:57:14 PM 1249 Views
I would have thought you would have enjoyed his ironic sendup of Christianity, though. - 10/02/2010 01:58:12 PM 1366 Views
His diction is lovely. - 10/02/2010 04:12:09 PM 1213 Views
I'm enjoying it thoroughly. - 10/02/2010 05:54:20 PM 1110 Views
I was wondering myself. - 09/02/2010 03:10:55 AM 1094 Views
You know, I thought about doing that a long time ago - 09/02/2010 01:30:40 PM 1203 Views
Oh, go ahead and do it. - 09/02/2010 06:51:35 PM 1288 Views
That would be outstanding. *NM* - 09/02/2010 07:06:14 PM 565 Views
Well, seeing the expressed interest... - 09/02/2010 09:28:41 PM 1183 Views
Re: Well, seeing the expressed interest... - 10/02/2010 12:26:06 AM 1382 Views
So how about keeping Zamyatin and replacing Lukyanenko with Pelevin? - 10/02/2010 02:45:33 AM 1288 Views
Sounds good. - 10/02/2010 01:36:13 PM 1232 Views
Чапаев и Пустота - 10/02/2010 01:44:23 PM 1229 Views
It's called "Buddha's Little Finger" in English for some reason. See the amazon review as well. *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:51:02 PM 601 Views
Sounds interesting. I'd be interested in reading it. *NM* - 10/02/2010 05:44:20 PM 561 Views
Do we have a final list, then? - 10/02/2010 05:53:46 PM 1218 Views
Well. - 10/02/2010 06:36:00 PM 1289 Views
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Super dooper. *NM* - 10/02/2010 09:08:47 PM 562 Views
Ah, I should have looked here first. - 10/02/2010 09:34:30 PM 1119 Views
In regards to order, a slightly different proprosal. - 10/02/2010 09:41:38 PM 1123 Views
At least I have an idea now of what books to watch for when I am out. - 10/02/2010 11:04:26 PM 1114 Views
My gamble has paid off. - 21/05/2010 09:57:19 PM 1078 Views
Hmm - 10/02/2010 12:20:52 PM 1117 Views
I might be able to squeeze that in with my other readings - 10/02/2010 12:53:02 AM 1298 Views
Have you read Pelevin? - 10/02/2010 03:16:22 AM 1100 Views
No - 10/02/2010 04:44:18 AM 1142 Views
I think you should go for it. Haven't we only been doing the book club every other month anyway? - 09/02/2010 09:44:46 PM 1148 Views
I wouldn't want to exclude Russian literature from the main book club, though. - 09/02/2010 10:11:08 PM 1158 Views
I don't think that it would have to exclude Russian literature from the regular book club. - 09/02/2010 10:39:41 PM 1186 Views
I suppose that I could just go ahead regardless. - 10/02/2010 03:18:01 AM 1132 Views
I think you should - 10/02/2010 11:44:00 AM 1106 Views
I wouldn't worry too much about that - 10/02/2010 12:54:31 AM 1254 Views
I was wondering this as well. - 09/02/2010 01:25:09 PM 1134 Views
We'll try to make sure the next book is even longer than this one was. - 09/02/2010 01:31:44 PM 1101 Views
The choice is obvious, then. A la Recherche du Temps Perdu. *NM* - 09/02/2010 01:48:15 PM 547 Views
Oi, shush you. *NM* - 09/02/2010 02:16:19 PM 545 Views
Patience - 09/02/2010 02:15:14 PM 1085 Views
Is Larry right? Are you ecstatic about the prospect of an independent book club? *NM* - 10/02/2010 03:18:44 AM 588 Views
The intent has always been to encourage people to hold and lead discussions. - 10/02/2010 04:29:23 PM 1176 Views
I think Greg and I are 95% solid on our list. - 10/02/2010 04:33:12 PM 1222 Views
I am fine with whatever order you guys choose. - 10/02/2010 06:25:31 PM 1232 Views
I'm happy now. *NM* - 10/02/2010 08:15:07 PM 561 Views
Amen. - 10/02/2010 06:36:49 PM 1172 Views
Lol. I figured it was put off for at least a month to let things cool down. *NM* - 10/02/2010 12:32:05 AM 591 Views
Let what cool down? The earth's core? Hell, perhaps? *NM* - 10/02/2010 03:19:24 AM 548 Views
No. Just no. *NM* - 10/02/2010 12:41:51 AM 528 Views
How about the три мушкетёра? - 10/02/2010 05:32:55 AM 1078 Views
Wouldn't that be French? - 10/02/2010 12:21:50 PM 1137 Views
Да - 10/02/2010 01:38:36 PM 1044 Views
Yes. Королева Марго is French, too. *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:53:41 PM 549 Views
La reine Margot? *NM* - 10/02/2010 03:18:23 PM 506 Views
Oui. - 10/02/2010 04:34:25 PM 1041 Views
I nominate The Road by Cormac McCarthy! - 10/02/2010 04:55:24 PM 1395 Views

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