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On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM
Zhivago (Pasternak) is in love with Russia. He falls in love with the Russia he knows from childhood (Tonya) and thinks he would be happy with her, perhaps even in a Platonic mystical marriage. However, that safe, comfortable attachment is not enough for him, as he starts to notice the Revolution that is about to break (Lara). He feels an uncontrollable attraction to the Revolution and throws himself into it with reckless abandon, sacrificing his family, his home and nearly his life, before coming to the realization that he cannot stay in the moment of the Revolution and that he has lost everything (both Tonya and Lara). The dehumanizing experience of Soviet Russia (the partisans slowly coming to resemble animals in their winter quarters) breaks him, but he still loves his homeland, despite the fact that the grey, lacklustre Russia that remains is now almost his enemy, humiliating him and making him suffer all manner of indignities (Marina, his third woman).
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago. Tom - 15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM 1735 Views
I liked it a lot. wahooka - 15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM 1070 Views
I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM 923 Views
Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution wahooka - 15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM 1032 Views
Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates. Tom - 15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM 858 Views
I see your point. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:36:30 PM 963 Views
The idea of revolution was perpetual. In theory, anyway. The Shrike - 16/03/2010 12:30:46 AM 1018 Views
So far, so good ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:58:44 PM 997 Views
There are lots of good quotes. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:20:26 PM 842 Views
I have finally finished it. ranagrande - 22/03/2010 12:31:24 AM 1007 Views
There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM 911 Views
... I'm clearly lacking in braincells. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM 1013 Views
... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM* jh - 15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM 399 Views
It's not contagious! Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:47:41 PM 848 Views
It probably is. Don't worry, we still like you! *NM* Tom - 15/03/2010 09:55:07 PM 400 Views
I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM 934 Views
Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist, The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM 1059 Views
Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living" Tom - 15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM 884 Views
I knew those Larry - 15/03/2010 11:22:02 PM 980 Views
I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM 1048 Views
On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM 978 Views
I noticed that as well Larry - 15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM 1049 Views
There is a lot of Christian eschatology, too Tom - 15/03/2010 09:46:59 PM 940 Views
Yes Larry - 15/03/2010 11:23:23 PM 1108 Views
Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately. *NM* Rebekah - 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM 370 Views
My initial thoughts Beqi - 15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM 1010 Views
Re: My initial thoughts wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM 928 Views
Which idioms were you talking about? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:43:09 PM 965 Views
Re: Which idioms were you talking about? wahooka - 15/03/2010 10:07:23 PM 988 Views
The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first Tom - 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM 926 Views
There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM 937 Views
This is my first novel in that genre, fiction or non. Beqi - 15/03/2010 08:22:04 PM 828 Views
I've read bits & pieces. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM 960 Views
Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM 1095 Views
Interestingly, I'm seeing parallels now that I'm reading Gibbon. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:53:15 PM 962 Views
Koenker was mine for Soviet history. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:08:40 PM 1240 Views
Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM 1019 Views
Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting. Tashmere - 17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM 893 Views
I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM* Rebekah - 17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM 363 Views
Finally got around to reading this. Thanks for sharing. *NM* Rebekah - 22/03/2010 04:45:24 PM 387 Views
You're welcome. *NM* The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 367 Views
I knew a bit about it. wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:36:20 PM 1049 Views
Fiction or non-fiction? Larry - 15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM 1107 Views
Do you mean Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:54:34 PM 938 Views
Ten...I was typing from memories of close to 15 years ago Larry - 15/03/2010 10:57:05 PM 968 Views
Either, though specifically I was thinking of non-fiction. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:11:52 PM 1004 Views
That's what I was thinking of when I read it Larry - 15/03/2010 10:59:36 PM 1010 Views
Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period. Jacob - 16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM 988 Views
Enough to understand everything easily enough. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 833 Views
My own personal thoughts on Doctor Zhivago Tom - 15/03/2010 11:44:05 PM 1207 Views
This review has been helpful so far for me. Tashmere - 23/03/2010 11:39:51 PM 884 Views
Essay I just finished writing on the book Larry - 16/03/2010 01:26:23 AM 1360 Views
I'm really enjoying it. nossy - 16/03/2010 03:05:25 AM 979 Views
Hey, if I can come late to the party, so can you. *NM* Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:04:15 AM 319 Views
I'm still sailing through it AgentOrange - 16/03/2010 09:25:34 PM 1050 Views
Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you? Tashmere - 16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM 971 Views
Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM* Tom - 17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM 360 Views
Some questions. Rebekah - 19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM 896 Views
Class can be tricky given the Russian context. The Shrike - 19/03/2010 05:09:14 PM 1063 Views
Grand. Thanks for the answers. Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:33:18 PM 965 Views
As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Tom - 19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM 958 Views
Re: As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:36:36 PM 986 Views
No, Tonya was exiled. It was a fortune of timing. Tom - 20/03/2010 05:22:44 PM 958 Views
The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them The Shrike - 21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM 991 Views
It looks a bit strained to me. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM 872 Views
So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM 1000 Views
In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM 921 Views
I figured that you would like it. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:06 PM 1055 Views
I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM 753 Views
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