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Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist, The Shrike Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM
Zhivago means life. The Zhiv part anyway. This is an important connection to make about what Zhivago represents in the book.

I think it's a valid connection to see the train death as connected to Tolstoy. Pasternak was certainly not a proponent of the Tolstoy sort of idealism, though. His peasants are perhaps good people (Anfim Efimovich, for example), but they are certainly not people who should be leading a country. The form of government the peasants would have chose would resemble Meluzeevo - backwards, superstitious, mixing Christianity with ideas about magic and ultimately anti-intellectual (and, for that matter, irrational).


Very true and good points about the peasants. Ultimately I think Pasternak is concerned with life in this book. The main protagonist, Yuri, goes to medical school for what reason. Why make him a doctor? His name literally means Doctor Life.

But then what does the Revolution ultimately mean? Is it life or is it death? Too open ended to answer one way or the other.

More on this later. Must return to reading other stuff. But I really want people, who read this reply, to ask themselves - is Doctor Zhivago a love story or is it a political/historical setting? Does it cross boundaries. I think thinking about that specifically can help people understand this book.

I have my own viewpoint, which most people in this discussion should already know as I have not mentioned the love story even once until now.
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So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago. Tom - 15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM 1717 Views
I liked it a lot. wahooka - 15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM 1037 Views
I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM 908 Views
Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution wahooka - 15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM 1010 Views
Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates. Tom - 15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM 845 Views
I see your point. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:36:30 PM 948 Views
The idea of revolution was perpetual. In theory, anyway. The Shrike - 16/03/2010 12:30:46 AM 1001 Views
So far, so good ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:58:44 PM 978 Views
There are lots of good quotes. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:20:26 PM 830 Views
I have finally finished it. ranagrande - 22/03/2010 12:31:24 AM 990 Views
There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM 897 Views
... I'm clearly lacking in braincells. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM 997 Views
... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM* jh - 15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM 381 Views
It's not contagious! Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:47:41 PM 831 Views
It probably is. Don't worry, we still like you! *NM* Tom - 15/03/2010 09:55:07 PM 379 Views
I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM 924 Views
Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist, The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM 1041 Views
Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living" Tom - 15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM 871 Views
I knew those Larry - 15/03/2010 11:22:02 PM 967 Views
I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM 1032 Views
On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM 964 Views
I noticed that as well Larry - 15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM 1020 Views
There is a lot of Christian eschatology, too Tom - 15/03/2010 09:46:59 PM 928 Views
Yes Larry - 15/03/2010 11:23:23 PM 1096 Views
Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately. *NM* Rebekah - 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM 364 Views
My initial thoughts Beqi - 15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM 993 Views
Re: My initial thoughts wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM 915 Views
Which idioms were you talking about? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:43:09 PM 953 Views
Re: Which idioms were you talking about? wahooka - 15/03/2010 10:07:23 PM 948 Views
The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first Tom - 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM 915 Views
There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM 916 Views
This is my first novel in that genre, fiction or non. Beqi - 15/03/2010 08:22:04 PM 809 Views
I've read bits & pieces. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM 946 Views
Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM 1083 Views
Interestingly, I'm seeing parallels now that I'm reading Gibbon. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:53:15 PM 947 Views
Koenker was mine for Soviet history. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:08:40 PM 1225 Views
Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM 1001 Views
Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting. Tashmere - 17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM 880 Views
I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM* Rebekah - 17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM 358 Views
Finally got around to reading this. Thanks for sharing. *NM* Rebekah - 22/03/2010 04:45:24 PM 382 Views
You're welcome. *NM* The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 349 Views
I knew a bit about it. wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:36:20 PM 1041 Views
Fiction or non-fiction? Larry - 15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM 1087 Views
Do you mean Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:54:34 PM 921 Views
Ten...I was typing from memories of close to 15 years ago Larry - 15/03/2010 10:57:05 PM 945 Views
Either, though specifically I was thinking of non-fiction. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:11:52 PM 992 Views
That's what I was thinking of when I read it Larry - 15/03/2010 10:59:36 PM 998 Views
Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period. Jacob - 16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM 977 Views
Enough to understand everything easily enough. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 820 Views
My own personal thoughts on Doctor Zhivago Tom - 15/03/2010 11:44:05 PM 1193 Views
This review has been helpful so far for me. Tashmere - 23/03/2010 11:39:51 PM 871 Views
Essay I just finished writing on the book Larry - 16/03/2010 01:26:23 AM 1346 Views
I'm really enjoying it. nossy - 16/03/2010 03:05:25 AM 958 Views
Hey, if I can come late to the party, so can you. *NM* Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:04:15 AM 309 Views
I'm still sailing through it AgentOrange - 16/03/2010 09:25:34 PM 1038 Views
Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you? Tashmere - 16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM 955 Views
Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM* Tom - 17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM 348 Views
Some questions. Rebekah - 19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM 881 Views
Class can be tricky given the Russian context. The Shrike - 19/03/2010 05:09:14 PM 1050 Views
Grand. Thanks for the answers. Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:33:18 PM 953 Views
As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Tom - 19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM 943 Views
Re: As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:36:36 PM 967 Views
No, Tonya was exiled. It was a fortune of timing. Tom - 20/03/2010 05:22:44 PM 946 Views
The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them The Shrike - 21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM 972 Views
It looks a bit strained to me. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM 857 Views
So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM 985 Views
In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM 902 Views
I figured that you would like it. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:06 PM 1036 Views
I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM 735 Views
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