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Arya is legitimately the most evil... Napoleon62 Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 09:45:04 PM
Though, of course, none of them are good. With all the others, there is some sort of motivation, something other than the simple desire to kill those that wronged her. Arya's sole goal in life is the extermination of a well-determined list of people that have commited offense upon her in her life. I do not see how this is good in any way or sense. And her shortness and likeablity are not at all justification for her sins. She has taken steps to accomplish her evil goal through evil means. Consorting with assasins and later joining a guild of them so she can become one herself. The people on her list have wronged her, but many of them have not done it in such a life threatening way that their deaths can be justified.

Robert Baratheon is certainly presented as "good" in the first book. He is likeable and friendly, if he has changed from the man he was, we get many favorable POV scenes from Ned's perspective. However, when you look closer at his actions, he is a very bad man, if not as evil as Arya or Cersei. He led a revolution against the annointed King for a stolen love. Though many houses supported him not because of love but because of the weakness of the Targaryens, and because the Mad King was truly a threat to the realm and it would better many people's lives to have him gone, Robert's sole motivation in leading a rebellion was that his betrothed fell in love with another man. Seems like an awful reason to kill so many to me. And then, years later, he demands sending assasins to do away with the last remaining Targaryens. A pregnent 14 year old girl. Though it is possible that he desired this for the purposes of eliminating rallying points for future rebellion, it is fairly clear from what we know about him that he is doing it for his personal hatred of the family. This puts him up there with Madame Defarge for EVILNESS.

I am not defending Cersei when I say that she is less evil than Arya and Theon. Whether or not you call it POV trap, she has some justification for her actions. She, like Cat Stark, does everything she does for her children. However, unlike Cat Stark, she has ambition far above what would be accepted for a woman in this world and a desire to promote some convuluted form of gender equality by getting herself power. Of course, her methods are definitely evil, but she views this as only doing what she has to do to protect her children and her house. However, as of AFFC when we finally get her point of view, I am of the opinion that she is really mentally ill at this point, so she is not responsible for her actions and cannot be classed as evil.

Theon is a bad dude.

Jaime isn't.

If you need explanation, I posted it on the quickpoll a while ago.......
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ASoI&F Quickpoll: Evil characters - 18/03/2010 02:04:24 PM 1462 Views
Re: ASoI&F Quickpoll: Evil characters - 18/03/2010 02:32:48 PM 908 Views
Re: ASoI&F Quickpoll: Evil characters - 18/03/2010 06:34:29 PM 839 Views
Exactly. - 18/03/2010 09:07:56 PM 903 Views
I have never heard anyone defend Cersei. - 18/03/2010 07:04:33 PM 901 Views
Confusing likability with goodness - 18/03/2010 08:59:40 PM 902 Views
Arya may not be "good"... - 18/03/2010 09:15:46 PM 952 Views
Do you think a child can be evil? *NM* - 18/03/2010 09:18:06 PM 386 Views
We sometimes hear about kids doing horrible things - 18/03/2010 09:41:30 PM 787 Views
Is that because they may not understand the consequences of their actions? - 18/03/2010 09:45:33 PM 870 Views
Most likely, yes. Plus their reasons for doing bad things lack deeper inferior motives. - 18/03/2010 10:09:25 PM 893 Views
Arya is old enough to understand cause and effect... - 18/03/2010 11:04:31 PM 995 Views
Soldiers do the same thing. - 19/03/2010 03:23:35 AM 821 Views
Just what I was about to say, yeah *NM* - 19/03/2010 07:55:47 AM 353 Views
Arya is legitimately the most evil... - 18/03/2010 09:45:04 PM 1180 Views
No, she's not - 18/03/2010 11:45:23 PM 833 Views
Cersei doesn't have true justification - 18/03/2010 11:47:44 PM 969 Views
what makes ambition better? - 19/03/2010 03:30:04 AM 811 Views
*nods* - 19/03/2010 07:58:31 AM 933 Views
Re: Arya is legitimately the most evil... - 19/03/2010 10:50:56 PM 831 Views
I was looking forward to his response as well. - 19/03/2010 11:13:35 PM 956 Views
Nope - 20/03/2010 10:23:19 PM 1003 Views
Evil is such a limiting term to use. - 20/03/2010 12:18:24 PM 807 Views
Try reading the books - 20/03/2010 10:50:01 PM 1014 Views
just out of curiousity - 21/03/2010 03:01:02 AM 898 Views
Sort of. - 22/03/2010 11:37:04 PM 810 Views
I've read them a few times. - 21/03/2010 01:47:52 PM 898 Views
Just a "few" times? - 21/03/2010 06:07:14 PM 941 Views
Only three times. - 21/03/2010 11:20:12 PM 849 Views
Who is Jon Connington? - 22/03/2010 01:30:44 AM 993 Views
people seem to be forgetting - 21/03/2010 09:11:04 PM 956 Views
Some of that is BS... - 22/03/2010 04:18:06 AM 879 Views
Thank you. - 23/03/2010 01:59:38 AM 877 Views
*NM* - 23/03/2010 03:58:24 AM 308 Views
ROFLMAO. Most people complain that my values are medieval & out of touch with the modern world! - 23/03/2010 01:54:58 AM 1236 Views
It really shocks that I'm going to say this. - 23/03/2010 03:23:28 AM 810 Views
To clarify, "evil" means VERY, VERY BAD. - 23/03/2010 01:12:39 AM 1056 Views
your problem is you seem equate legality with morality - 24/03/2010 04:07:42 AM 802 Views
I was responding to someone ELSE making that error - 24/03/2010 03:13:36 PM 1076 Views

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