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Re: That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 13/05/2010 08:08:16 PM
Well, taxes are progressive, so it's more like a transfer of wealth from rich to future middle class.

But the thing is, they don't do that so much. It's a sad but incontrovertible fact that the education level attained by your parents still is a very good predictor for the education level you will attain, in Belgium. Despite the cheapness of university studies, children of the working class are still somehow deterred from going to university. They're not necessarily poorer for that, as some jobs that require only lower tertiary education or even no tertiary education at all will make you more money than some university-degree jobs, but still.

Taxes are progressive, and more so in Belgium than in the US I'm sure (not sure about Britain, you're British I think?), but still most of the working class, both the richer and poorer people in it, pays fortunes in taxes to fund universities that their children aren't going to. Obviously the university graduates pay those taxes too, but since a good part is paid by those others, it still amounts to a net transfer to them or more accurately their children.

No, not British :D

But yes taxes in the UK are progressive as well. 50% for any income over 150K GBP (new law) and 40% for over... I think it's like 30something thousand GBP (wiki says 37,400). Don't know about Belgium, but wiki's chart says something similar :P

You're right that there is a systematic difference in who enrolls. However, going to college doesn't necessarily make someone rich :D (ironically, the opposite may occur)

Going back to taxes, if you include corporations (who pay a large chunk to be sure), then US is more progressive than virtually every other country (except for a couple non-notables (i.e., not hotbeds of commerce)).
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Re: I do sometimes wish more Belgians would understand that. - 13/05/2010 12:05:03 AM 611 Views
That would be more convincing if universities promoted more social mobility. - 13/05/2010 12:11:37 AM 740 Views
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