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People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 14/05/2010 11:40:25 AM
(and this is what has been annoying me about loads of usually intelligent people): it is unfair to judge a modern party based on what the party with the same name did in the past. 13 years mightn't seem like a long time, but it is these days, and the Conservatives are currently lead by a chap who is only 43. Young(er) people tend to be more ... liberal.

Mrs Thatcher was very much her own person - so much so, in fact, that she was ultimately brought down by a party rebellion. There's therefore no reason to suppose that the modern Tories will follow her footsteps. And I've seen that pundits are calling some of the younger chaps Thatcherites: based on what? They've not had any power at all. Comparisons are ridiculous at this point.


It is generally a good idea to assume a magazine like the Spectator has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the Tory party -
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7125806.ece
Fraser Nelson is writing in The Times but is current editor of The Spectator magazine.
"As several surveys show, the typical new Tory MP is reform-minded and resolutely Eurosceptic — the type of Tory who has posters of Thatcher on the wall and Jacques Delors on the dartboard."

There is still a clear element of the old Tory party still around, Hague and IDS being the most obvious examples (aside from Clarke who was an actual ex-Thatcher minister and ironically isn't an old style Tory).

I'd be perfectly fine with you being this negative etc if they had given you reason to be recently. They haven't. They've been in Opposition. You actually cannot accurately gauge a party's policies and standards on their Opposition years because their job is to Oppose. That doesn't necessarily show their true colours.


Well there is their manifesto which had some clear out and out old style Tory policies which counts against them.
The 55% for dissolution of Parliament is at best a pretty bone-headed move and at worst an attempt to alter the system to protect the Government from future unpopularity in an undemocratic way. Not a great start there.

Give it a year and come back to me then.


Time will tell, for me though it is for them to prove themselves, not be given a free ride. There have been some good moves - mostly the choices of Minister for Justice and Attorney General. There is still a lot to prove though, so we shall see.
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How to live with the Tories Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:33:49 PM 1239 Views
Her 101 reasons to love our Tory government was even better. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:42:39 PM 881 Views
That was excellent Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:48:34 PM 837 Views
That has been used a few times now snoopcester - 13/05/2010 01:27:50 PM 761 Views
Oh, well, it was new to me. Legolas - 13/05/2010 01:36:13 PM 806 Views
I do like one of the comments especially The Shrike - 13/05/2010 07:03:15 PM 751 Views
I agree. Legolas - 13/05/2010 07:11:40 PM 861 Views
What an even-handed, stereotype-free, and balanced piece of journalism. *NM* Tim - 13/05/2010 02:07:35 PM 435 Views
Yup. *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:09:35 PM 378 Views
Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Legolas - 13/05/2010 02:23:16 PM 845 Views
Re: Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:30:41 PM 871 Views
Just politely ask them to leave. Joel - 13/05/2010 02:16:53 PM 760 Views
You'll survive Larry - 13/05/2010 02:54:20 PM 843 Views
Your partisanship is getting annoying, actually. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 06:55:28 PM 952 Views
I'm Rebekah and I endorse this comment. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 08:10:03 PM 868 Views
While everyone is entitled to their opinion Balwer - 13/05/2010 08:28:59 PM 881 Views
Re: While everyone is entitled to their opinion Camilla - 13/05/2010 09:28:36 PM 839 Views
I'm sorry I care about politics. Camilla - 13/05/2010 08:45:26 PM 886 Views
It's easy to complain. Actually doing something is rather more difficult. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:17:47 PM 368 Views
What do you suggest I do, pray tell? *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:19:30 PM 368 Views
Learn how to live with people who disagree with you. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:21:08 PM 792 Views
Oh, come on. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:29:38 PM 927 Views
Do you really spell it "superiour" in Britain? That's wonderful. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:37:21 PM 941 Views
Pretty please with sugar on top Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:50:48 PM 853 Views
Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:02:11 PM 835 Views
Re: Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:03:42 PM 801 Views
Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:08:48 PM 851 Views
Re: Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:11:04 PM 810 Views
I don't mind transference of anger, but let's keep my quotes accurate at least. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:15:37 PM 827 Views
See, this is what I find offensive Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:21:28 PM 822 Views
Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:30:34 PM 791 Views
Re: Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:32:29 PM 800 Views
That's kind of my point, though. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:33:51 PM 768 Views
Two posts in three days about a new Government in the country? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 11:18:06 PM 847 Views
This is so true Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:29:30 PM 791 Views
Re: This is so true Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:36:44 PM 809 Views
I could be Tory enough for both of us, if you like. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:45:41 PM 833 Views
Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:48:26 PM 814 Views
Re: Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:54:10 PM 789 Views
I hereby invite myself to the said discussion. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:13:34 PM 345 Views
I certainly wouldn't go that far. Nowhere near. *NM* Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:43:20 PM 427 Views
On the comparison or on you people's spelling? *NM* Ghavrel - 14/05/2010 12:13:42 AM 377 Views
On the comparison. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:08:17 PM 848 Views
Re: On the comparison. Camilla - 14/05/2010 01:56:00 PM 819 Views
Not for a good few centuries. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:19:36 PM 396 Views
They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:50:23 PM 774 Views
Re: They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:53:08 PM 824 Views
Eh, another time then. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:56:21 PM 841 Views
Re: Eh, another time then. Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:04:12 AM 827 Views
Oh well. The Shrike - 14/05/2010 02:48:51 AM 867 Views
I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 10:43:12 PM 924 Views
thank you. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:46:38 PM 790 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:59:28 PM 835 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 11:16:07 PM 940 Views
I dunno. It looks to me that's what Balwer was saying with his flogged horse comment. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:18:30 PM 742 Views
I'm sorry you care more about your own political agenda than about trying to see a party in power The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:44:32 PM 769 Views
You think Tories won't go proto-Orwellian on you? Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:46:45 PM 765 Views
If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:54:53 PM 849 Views
Re: If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:58:17 PM 826 Views
If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then The Shrike - 14/05/2010 12:01:37 AM 837 Views
Re: If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:06:56 AM 841 Views
Thing is, Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:55:17 PM 809 Views
Re: Thing is, Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 931 Views
Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:01:42 AM 859 Views
Re: Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:05:15 AM 841 Views
A date "in a year's time" will be easy to remember. We have Scottish elections on 5 May 2011. Tim - 14/05/2010 12:12:26 PM 745 Views
Lets be honest Wibble - 14/05/2010 12:11:44 AM 862 Views
True fact. *NM* Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:12:36 AM 391 Views
Very true, however Mark - 14/05/2010 03:54:21 PM 885 Views
Surely a good part of that is just humour, though? Legolas - 14/05/2010 12:25:21 AM 762 Views
Part of it, yes. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 08:43:12 AM 840 Views
People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 11:40:25 AM 884 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:05:44 PM 833 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 PM 960 Views
Well. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:47:29 PM 1310 Views
Re: Well. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 02:58:57 PM 1209 Views
It's the only way to judge a political party Mark - 14/05/2010 04:10:26 PM 784 Views
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