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Re: Well. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 14/05/2010 02:58:57 PM
It seems to me that the magazine likes to throw tanties when people are not doing what it likes. It's difficult to take them seriously.


I've not noticed it but I am not exactly a regular reader, I just see the odd article and opinion piece linked elsewhere which usually seem okay, if clearly written from a different bias to my own.

Also: being reform minded and Eurosceptical are hardly characteristics belonging only to Maggie Thatcher. It's rather infantile to suggest that they are, and that comment you quoted reeks of hyperbole.


Not as stand alone features but it is a definite leaning that way within the British political landscape to the Thatcherite "way" and being reformed minded (in the conservative sense) and Eurosceptical are probably two of the most obvious Thatcherite indicators.
I really don't think it is infantile, partly hyperbolic possibly though as he was trying to justify why his view of the party was right.

I've been reading a little more, and I don't think it's as bad as it seemed at first.

The first point against the hysteria is that it isn't about votes of no confidence, which Labour etc are saying it is. The no confidence set up stays at 50% +1.

The 55% is for dissolving the parliament and calling a new election. Seems a tolerable move if you want fixed terms. However, I agree that it certainly seems to be a somewhat desperate grab to retain power should the coalition crumble. Curious, though, that the Lib Dems are so happy to support it when really it would be about keeping power in the Conservatives' hands.


I think the Lib Dems are for it because it makes it really hard for the Tories to screw them on this and call a new election if their numbers look good - without Tory votes it is impossible to force an election but without Labout or Lib Dem votes it is impossible for the Tories to call one as well.
It should make it almost impossible for one party to pull a fast one.
The problem, which is a really big one for me, is that it seems to make sure of a Tory government for the next five years, come what may - if the Lib Dems want out, the Tories can battle on as a minority government and there is nothing that can be done to actually force the issue even if a majority want to. I'm really not a fan of that:P

Re fixed terms: 5 years is definitely too long. Maybe 4 or 4.5 would be better.


I agree on that, I would guess it is the trade off for agreeing to fixed terms - if Cameron was going to give up the power to call elections when it best suited the party, it does make sense to stay in for as long as possible. It is something that should be properly reviewed by an independent (/corss party) body and set that way.
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How to live with the Tories Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:33:49 PM 1105 Views
Her 101 reasons to love our Tory government was even better. Legolas - 13/05/2010 12:42:39 PM 765 Views
That was excellent Camilla - 13/05/2010 12:48:34 PM 710 Views
That has been used a few times now snoopcester - 13/05/2010 01:27:50 PM 655 Views
Oh, well, it was new to me. Legolas - 13/05/2010 01:36:13 PM 699 Views
I do like one of the comments especially The Shrike - 13/05/2010 07:03:15 PM 644 Views
I agree. Legolas - 13/05/2010 07:11:40 PM 736 Views
What an even-handed, stereotype-free, and balanced piece of journalism. *NM* Tim - 13/05/2010 02:07:35 PM 354 Views
Yup. *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:09:35 PM 320 Views
Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Legolas - 13/05/2010 02:23:16 PM 741 Views
Re: Oh, come on. It's a humourous column. Camilla - 13/05/2010 02:30:41 PM 755 Views
Just politely ask them to leave. Joel - 13/05/2010 02:16:53 PM 645 Views
You'll survive Larry - 13/05/2010 02:54:20 PM 715 Views
Your partisanship is getting annoying, actually. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 06:55:28 PM 827 Views
I'm Rebekah and I endorse this comment. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 08:10:03 PM 743 Views
While everyone is entitled to their opinion Balwer - 13/05/2010 08:28:59 PM 769 Views
Re: While everyone is entitled to their opinion Camilla - 13/05/2010 09:28:36 PM 722 Views
I'm sorry I care about politics. Camilla - 13/05/2010 08:45:26 PM 770 Views
It's easy to complain. Actually doing something is rather more difficult. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:17:47 PM 317 Views
What do you suggest I do, pray tell? *NM* Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:19:30 PM 301 Views
Learn how to live with people who disagree with you. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:21:08 PM 671 Views
Oh, come on. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:29:38 PM 788 Views
Do you really spell it "superiour" in Britain? That's wonderful. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:37:21 PM 820 Views
Pretty please with sugar on top Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:50:48 PM 748 Views
Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:02:11 PM 725 Views
Re: Meh. That wasn't meant to be condescending. I never expected the ou to enter that word, is all. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:03:42 PM 684 Views
Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:08:48 PM 706 Views
Re: Yeah, um, that wasn't me. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:11:04 PM 700 Views
I don't mind transference of anger, but let's keep my quotes accurate at least. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:15:37 PM 715 Views
See, this is what I find offensive Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:21:28 PM 707 Views
Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:30:34 PM 684 Views
Re: Fair enough. It was unfair of me to use "learn." Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:32:29 PM 696 Views
That's kind of my point, though. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:33:51 PM 657 Views
Two posts in three days about a new Government in the country? snoopcester - 13/05/2010 11:18:06 PM 718 Views
This is so true Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:29:30 PM 687 Views
Re: This is so true Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:36:44 PM 694 Views
I could be Tory enough for both of us, if you like. Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:45:41 PM 704 Views
Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Wibble - 13/05/2010 11:48:26 PM 687 Views
Re: Sorry. But I can't bring myself to vote for 'that bloody party' Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:54:10 PM 674 Views
I hereby invite myself to the said discussion. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:13:34 PM 292 Views
I certainly wouldn't go that far. Nowhere near. *NM* Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:43:20 PM 362 Views
On the comparison or on you people's spelling? *NM* Ghavrel - 14/05/2010 12:13:42 AM 317 Views
On the comparison. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:08:17 PM 731 Views
Re: On the comparison. Camilla - 14/05/2010 01:56:00 PM 706 Views
Not for a good few centuries. *NM* Tim - 14/05/2010 12:19:36 PM 347 Views
They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:50:23 PM 664 Views
Re: They were not delivered condescendingly. I am sorry you took it as such. Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:53:08 PM 703 Views
Eh, another time then. The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:56:21 PM 734 Views
Re: Eh, another time then. Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:04:12 AM 717 Views
Oh well. The Shrike - 14/05/2010 02:48:51 AM 744 Views
I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 10:43:12 PM 801 Views
thank you. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:46:38 PM 677 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 10:59:28 PM 711 Views
Re: I was gonna make a post with precisely the same title as Camilla's. So: Oh, come on. Legolas - 13/05/2010 11:16:07 PM 826 Views
I dunno. It looks to me that's what Balwer was saying with his flogged horse comment. Ghavrel - 13/05/2010 11:18:30 PM 633 Views
I'm sorry you care more about your own political agenda than about trying to see a party in power The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:44:32 PM 633 Views
You think Tories won't go proto-Orwellian on you? Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:46:45 PM 625 Views
If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then The Shrike - 13/05/2010 11:54:53 PM 720 Views
Re: If both, theoretically, will abuse power, then Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:58:17 PM 713 Views
If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then The Shrike - 14/05/2010 12:01:37 AM 738 Views
Re: If not a fan of Labour and not a fan of Tory, then Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:06:56 AM 732 Views
Thing is, Rebekah - 13/05/2010 11:55:17 PM 701 Views
Re: Thing is, Camilla - 13/05/2010 11:59:58 PM 800 Views
Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:01:42 AM 742 Views
Re: Camilla - 14/05/2010 12:05:15 AM 718 Views
A date "in a year's time" will be easy to remember. We have Scottish elections on 5 May 2011. Tim - 14/05/2010 12:12:26 PM 616 Views
Lets be honest Wibble - 14/05/2010 12:11:44 AM 749 Views
True fact. *NM* Rebekah - 14/05/2010 12:12:36 AM 334 Views
Very true, however Mark - 14/05/2010 03:54:21 PM 773 Views
Surely a good part of that is just humour, though? Legolas - 14/05/2010 12:25:21 AM 650 Views
Part of it, yes. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 08:43:12 AM 734 Views
People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 11:40:25 AM 770 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:05:44 PM 703 Views
Re: People are saying it because those with a good knowledge of the party are telling them that. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 PM 820 Views
Well. Rebekah - 14/05/2010 01:47:29 PM 1186 Views
Re: Well. snoopcester - 14/05/2010 02:58:57 PM 1086 Views
It's the only way to judge a political party Mark - 14/05/2010 04:10:26 PM 657 Views
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