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I'm saying the Cold War isn't over, since it was never about capitalism vs. communism to begin. Joel Send a noteboard - 25/05/2010 01:41:28 AM

But unless we completely capitulate open war is the form that will eventually take. I'm sure China would much prefer our capitulation, but that would just be declaring open season on America for any and all competitors. Sooner or later (hopefully the former) the powers that be will realize that. Maybe after we lose a few more Navy aircraft and their top secret technologies, while we beg them to release the crews.


~sigh~ I have to be honest here, I'm having trouble following your train of thought on this subject. Are you saying China and the United States should go to war? And this helps this helps the situation on the Korean peninsula how?

And thus we remain at war; Yeltsin and the Beijing Olympics didn't change that, though it's definitely true Russia took a big hit in our little "first one to bankruptcy loses" escalation. We didn't come out of too well either, come to that; Detente has worked out very well for the country we and the Soviets sought to use against each other. For its leadership, anyway; kidnapped children in Chinese coal mines, or Argentines killed by Chinese toothpaste sweetened with antifreeze, might see it differently. Again, as I'm sure you're aware, the Korean Conflict has never ended; we have a ceasefire. So whether we want to be or not, whether anyone in the West chooses to recall the fact, we are at war. It's a little late to decide we don't have the stomach for it, or that we can't wage it because it threatens the Seoul citizenry we've been keeping out of prison labor camps since the early fifties. You think China's been propping up North Korea all this time because they have too much disposable income? It's a war being fought on many fronts, economic, diplomatic, strategic, even the Moon. Yeah, Cold War's really over and capitalism won because of globalism. And if China has to tell North Korea to nuke L.A., or bin Laden to ship us a ticking nuke, to ensure their global dominance, they will.

The conflict continues, still without quarter. Definitely something to consider while China sells or gives nuclear weapons to the most unstable, even openly anti-American, states, blocks all attempts to prevent their acquisition by terror states and absorbs ever more American debt, capital and industry.
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Oh, by the way...has anyone noticed how close the Korean peninsula is to war? - 24/05/2010 02:04:12 PM 1228 Views
I was wondering when something would be posted about this - 24/05/2010 02:49:54 PM 918 Views
haha. I love that mental image - 24/05/2010 02:51:53 PM 836 Views
But does North Korea really listen to China that much anymore? - 24/05/2010 02:55:04 PM 863 Views
that might well be a good point - 24/05/2010 03:20:32 PM 824 Views
Very interesting point. That is a wild card. *NM* - 24/05/2010 03:27:53 PM 310 Views
The explaination I have heard... - 24/05/2010 09:05:40 PM 872 Views
I don't know... - 24/05/2010 09:49:25 PM 780 Views
No, because China doesn't want us in the region. - 25/05/2010 12:20:47 AM 850 Views
Um, wasn't that pretty much always understood? - 25/05/2010 12:08:12 AM 783 Views
yah, it doesn't look to be a good situation - 24/05/2010 02:50:08 PM 837 Views
If there were a war with North Korea the US has the resources to deal with it. - 24/05/2010 02:56:39 PM 862 Views
mm. well I don't much like that either, to be honest. - 24/05/2010 03:00:29 PM 835 Views
Wikipedia is your friend. - 24/05/2010 03:08:33 PM 1026 Views
ah mk. Thanks!! - 24/05/2010 04:39:49 PM 790 Views
Still scary and you know that using those would escalate everything. - 24/05/2010 03:26:12 PM 796 Views
Korea is directly in our sphere of influence - 24/05/2010 03:37:18 PM 755 Views
I meant "we" in a personal sense, not a national sense. - 24/05/2010 05:36:40 PM 910 Views
In a personal sense, we could hijack a nuclear silo and shoot an ICBM at Pyongyang. - 24/05/2010 05:50:52 PM 728 Views
Oh yuck - there are far better ways. - 24/05/2010 06:01:44 PM 774 Views
yah... - 24/05/2010 06:27:37 PM 813 Views
Re: yah... - 24/05/2010 06:34:13 PM 799 Views
That would totally blow my cover of being a nerdy little grandma. - 24/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 755 Views
I don't think the US could, if China decided to get involved - 24/05/2010 08:45:23 PM 740 Views
A part of me says just get it over with - 24/05/2010 03:21:06 PM 732 Views
I agree that if war is inevitable, it is much better to start it at a time of our choosing. - 24/05/2010 03:48:36 PM 893 Views
I agree - 24/05/2010 04:17:19 PM 909 Views
Pretty much agree with all of that. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:17:27 PM 339 Views
I'm trying not to. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:25:06 PM 315 Views
This. *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:28:20 PM 340 Views
I understand - 24/05/2010 06:00:09 PM 749 Views
Yes - 24/05/2010 06:05:25 PM 753 Views
i agree - 24/05/2010 06:28:37 PM 772 Views
This has disaster written all over it *NM* - 24/05/2010 08:39:37 PM 328 Views
Technically, weren't we always? - 24/05/2010 08:51:29 PM 757 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2010 12:07:32 AM 818 Views
I try to block it out with thought's of a puppet singing "I'm So Ronery". *NM* - 24/05/2010 10:59:23 PM 326 Views
No one wants to resume the Korean War. - 24/05/2010 11:27:12 PM 869 Views
China does. - 25/05/2010 12:29:11 AM 829 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 12:54:49 AM 840 Views
Well, it would be more accurate to say they want a conflict, yes. - 25/05/2010 01:15:23 AM 843 Views
No, they don't - 25/05/2010 01:24:17 AM 817 Views
I'm saying the Cold War isn't over, since it was never about capitalism vs. communism to begin. - 25/05/2010 01:41:28 AM 856 Views
North Korea is not acting suicidal? Are you kidding? - 25/05/2010 02:41:29 AM 781 Views
The internal political dynamic in North Korea is such that they constantly need a crisis. - 25/05/2010 03:03:59 AM 809 Views
You are missing the main point. - 25/05/2010 03:36:37 AM 854 Views
I'm not saying it's nothing new. - 25/05/2010 03:57:40 AM 819 Views
Your response highlights the ultimate problem: the crisis will have to keep getting bigger. - 25/05/2010 07:44:19 PM 767 Views
Yes, that is the danger. - 26/05/2010 09:04:36 PM 904 Views
Fair enough. I misunderstood your position before. - 26/05/2010 12:31:52 AM 800 Views

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