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It reminds me of what I kept thinking as I read it. Joel Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 12:51:36 AM
she talks a lot about justice. There is a lot of hubris to spread around.


what do you mean?

That the phrase "international Jew" can have more than one meaning. There's a well documented history of Jewish segregation by mutual desire, that the many non-Jewish cultures in which Jews found themselves wanted no part of them and that a lot of Jews took care of their own because no one else would. It often seems something of a chicken/egg thing; even in Roman times, and certainly in Medieval Europe, Jews were viewed with suspicion and distrust, "foreign" in a way that superseded place of birth, and many Jews seemed to take the view that if their people had to survive by any means necessary they'd do exactly that, inverting in their own interactions the same double standards always applied to them. The Tanakh condemns oppressing "strangers" with the admonishment to remember "you were strangers in Egypt" but it also forbids imbibing foreign peoples and traditions lest it lead to idolatry, even states how many generations it takes for a non-Israelite to be "Jewish. " That can lead to two possible extremes: Ultra-nationalist Zionism that says Jews will never be safe except in their own homeland and places the best interests of any Gentile after that of any Jew, or an internationalist secular view that sees national and religious distinctions for Jews or anyone else as anachronistic and unjust.

In the French environment following the Franco-Prussian defeats that makes the Dreyfus Affair kind of inevitable. Both the view that would make French Jews into Israeli expatriates or refugees AND the view that would make Jews, Frenchmen and Germans citizens of the world is anathema to a 19th Century French nationalist.

That may not be what Agent Orange meant, but well could be (I'm sure he'll clarify one way or the other) and since I've been thinking about it ever since I read the lecture I wanted to mention it.
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Jacqueline Rose on the Dreyfus affair and related problems, in the LRB - 06/06/2010 11:28:14 AM 995 Views
What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:48:16 PM 794 Views
Re: What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:56:32 PM 730 Views
*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events* - 06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM 715 Views
I agree in part and (strongly) disagree in part. - 06/06/2010 05:40:26 PM 692 Views
"If it's an eternal struggle, how could there ever be a solution or a peace?" - 06/06/2010 06:20:39 PM 762 Views
Purim may or may not refer to a historic event. Even if it does, Haman was not likely an Arab. - 07/06/2010 12:00:05 AM 611 Views
I second your main point. - 07/06/2010 12:09:42 AM 621 Views
I don't discount that there is Arab blood in many or even most "Arabs". - 07/06/2010 12:18:32 AM 620 Views
Okay, fair enough then. *NM* - 07/06/2010 08:45:19 AM 277 Views
The holiday is centuries old and real, regardless. - 07/06/2010 12:28:59 AM 693 Views
You're still missing the major point here. - 07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM 611 Views
That seems a rather limited view of history. - 07/06/2010 01:10:11 AM 723 Views
What the Hell are you going on about? - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM 671 Views
Oooh - 07/06/2010 11:07:43 AM 533 Views
Yeah, to whom was the claim on that land given? - 07/06/2010 10:35:42 PM 667 Views
jeez Joel... - 07/06/2010 04:24:47 AM 655 Views
No, the Persians are not Arabs. - 07/06/2010 10:09:47 PM 770 Views
I (coincidentally) stumbled across those infamous hadith passages about Jews the other day. - 07/06/2010 09:41:39 AM 693 Views
So? - 07/06/2010 10:50:49 PM 688 Views
So the relevance of apocalyptic passages is close to zero. - 07/06/2010 11:55:05 PM 639 Views
Not to mention - 08/06/2010 09:09:27 AM 580 Views
Then why are they canon? - 08/06/2010 06:25:09 PM 825 Views
are you claiming that people would pull some things out of holy text and ignore the rest? - 08/06/2010 12:16:41 PM 716 Views
*NM* - 08/06/2010 01:16:13 PM 260 Views
well, for me this just proves why we are not supposed to live among non-Jews - 06/06/2010 11:39:45 PM 787 Views
how so? - 06/06/2010 11:41:18 PM 570 Views
It reminds me of what I kept thinking as I read it. - 07/06/2010 12:51:36 AM 603 Views
couldn't get past the part where anyone who opposes Obama is a racist *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:40:07 AM 441 Views
You hallucinated? *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:39:37 AM 316 Views
No, that would've been one of the places where she should've shut up. *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:58:11 AM 256 Views
No - 08/06/2010 09:08:04 AM 578 Views
I think he's not talking about that bit, but about the very first paragraph. - 08/06/2010 09:30:21 AM 703 Views
If there was more I didn't get far enough to hear it - 08/06/2010 12:09:47 PM 572 Views
That's the problem with the speech - the large majority of what she had to say was worthwhile. - 08/06/2010 01:15:39 PM 622 Views
The problem is blatant bias - 08/06/2010 02:24:57 PM 608 Views

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