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Honestly? Foxhead was in trouble soon as he said (basically) "I know naught of this, but think... " Joel Send a noteboard - 11/06/2010 02:54:37 PM
More like the bank opening the door and giving you a legal paper giving you permission to walk in and take the money.

The point is, if BP in this case followed every single US regulation and best practice in drilling and something went wrong that isn't human error, then they clearly aren't as culpable as if they didn't and knowingly broke regulations.

To go back to your car driving analogy - it is like the difference between someone driving within the speed limit in a car that has been MOTed versus someone driving at 90 miles an hour in a 30 zone, while swigger gin in a car that is out of MOT.

Of course all of that is getting away from the extremely stupid post by lyringlas who is now trying to claim that the oil leak is like sex trafficing minors.

It's part of why I resubmitted the only QotM I sumbitted at wotmania (the other part is I can't disappoint Ms. Bekah. )

But, anyway, MY point here remains that there's a difference between criminal wrongdoing and civil liability. Hence the fireworks analogy I used, but it works in your revision of my first one also:

If you're weaving down the road at thrice the limit with a fifth in one hand and run someone over, you're going to jail and likely to be sued by the victim or their family.

If you're doing well under the speed limit in a licensed and insured vehicle and obeying all the traffic laws you're far less likely to run someone over--but while you might not go to jail if it happens anyway, you're still gonna get sued by the victim or their family. In fact, in both cases you're likely to get sued by their health insurer, too, who'll probably take the view that if YOU broke their leg YOU (not the insurer) should pay to treat them. You may not have done anything WRONG, but you are LIABLE.

I'm in no position to say whether or not BP is simply liable or actually criminal in this case (though I strongly suspect at least criminal negligence. ) That's why we have courts. But it was their equipment operated by their personnel under their managers supervision on land they leased. Who else should be responsible for as yet unknown damages...?
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