But is it possible for a law to be inherently unjust? (in your opinion) Can the actions we as individuals take be either just or unjust or can it only be in the sense of the ruler and the ruled? How do we define the justness or lack thereof of a given social system?
I already tried to semi-counter it, but all of that depends on your definition of authority and who has the authority to write a law.
Perfect example are the Neurenberg trials where many Nazi's defended their actions by saying that all they did was to follow the laws of their country. This argumentation in the end did not hold up, but why? Because the allied countries believed that there were laws that go above the laws of a country. These later became human rights and international laws on warcrimes, genoside and the like.
Weakness is again that it is humans determined humanrights, just as it were humans who wrote the laws for the third empire. Humans make laws, humans can rewrite laws.
I, in my answer, already pointed to a perfect lawgiver who would write a perfect law. Without such a perfect lawgiver there is basically no basis for judging laws written by humans other than our current (collective) emotional state.
Now I do believe there is a God and therefor in a perfect law(giver). If I would not I would have to completely rewrite and rethink everything I've just said and mabye conclude that justice is nothing more than an experience based upon genetic and cultural preferences.
The way justice is historically used, is somewhat in the way I described above (even though many ancients were polytheists) and is the way in which it functions in our societies and lives. It is part of our way of life and our way of thinking and has been for thousands of years. It is part of what makes us human.
I would therefor say that to deny God is to deny humanity.
How on earth did I end up stating that? I guess I've been reading too much Lewis and Chesterton

This message last edited by Bramhodoulos on 13/06/2010 at 11:06:59 PM
What is justice?
13/06/2010 03:39:12 PM
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"Justice is the constant and perpetual desire to give everyone his due."
13/06/2010 04:08:26 PM
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Do you think there is something called justice?
13/06/2010 10:54:18 PM
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Well, obviously not with an existence independent of the human mind.
13/06/2010 11:07:38 PM
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Actually, that is being "just" not justice *NM*
14/06/2010 05:46:06 AM
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The original reads, "Iustitia est constans et perpetua voluntas ius suum cuique tribuens".
14/06/2010 01:37:10 PM
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Obviously it's a present active participle.
15/06/2010 12:09:54 AM
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Precisely. As in the well-known Latin phrase iustitio pauperem puerum; nullum corpus me amat.
15/06/2010 08:54:59 AM
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To me? "Giving to each what is reasonably owed when it's reasonably possible"
13/06/2010 04:22:41 PM
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An attempt to answer
13/06/2010 09:54:03 PM
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You say that the basis of all justice is the law...
13/06/2010 10:51:13 PM
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Good question
13/06/2010 11:05:26 PM
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I'm an atheist, but stay with me here
13/06/2010 11:17:10 PM
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I'm a christian, but stay with me here
13/06/2010 11:40:48 PM
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That was moderatly obnoxious
14/06/2010 12:52:48 AM
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Great Question
14/06/2010 06:16:23 AM
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