Bombing Iran won't achieve anything, that's the point.
Variant Send a noteboard - 22/06/2010 11:34:04 AM
Our own military has stated that the best case scenario is that we can delay their nuclear program a couple of years. In return, we enrage an entire population against us, certainly inflame the entire middle east, ensure the survival of a theocratic regime, and have a 3rd war on our hands.
This is were you and I differ. The future of Iran should differently come into our considerations whether or not to bomb. I prefer look at our long-term goals in an highly unstable region rather that trying to hope for some negligible short-term results with huge long-term consequences. And you say "we can't wait for another generation to come to power"? Why not? Even if Iran develops a nuclear weapon, what are they going to do? If they use it on Israel or any other country that would mean the end of the Regime's existence - and we all know how much the regime cares about it's survival. They don't even have a missile technology to deliver it - which is a whole other project.
We cannot ignore the great potential for us, in the normalize relations between the United States and the New Iran that will eventually come into being. It will be profound, and will categorically change the geo-politics of the region.
The Iran economy has been suffering for quite sometime and will continue to suffer - the new sanctions will only make it worse. While there's no resolution that can stop Iran crossing the nuclear threshold. The fact is, there is no way of stopping a country going nuclear if it's prepared to find enough cash and face down international censure. Military strikes would only buy time - an uncertain gain at a huge cost. The best deterrence we can do, is to raise the price of a bomb and deepen the disgrace. It's not ideal, but it's the only sane option we have given the hand we're dealt with.
My point is that we cannot and should not take the Green Movement into our considerations of whether to bomb or not to bomb. If we come to the point where we feel we need to bomb, it should be irrelevant to our calculus because we can't wait for another generation to come to power.
This is were you and I differ. The future of Iran should differently come into our considerations whether or not to bomb. I prefer look at our long-term goals in an highly unstable region rather that trying to hope for some negligible short-term results with huge long-term consequences. And you say "we can't wait for another generation to come to power"? Why not? Even if Iran develops a nuclear weapon, what are they going to do? If they use it on Israel or any other country that would mean the end of the Regime's existence - and we all know how much the regime cares about it's survival. They don't even have a missile technology to deliver it - which is a whole other project.
We cannot ignore the great potential for us, in the normalize relations between the United States and the New Iran that will eventually come into being. It will be profound, and will categorically change the geo-politics of the region.
I think, realistically, that if the Iranian economy does not start to suffer severely by the end of this year we will see some sort of bombing next Spring.
The Iran economy has been suffering for quite sometime and will continue to suffer - the new sanctions will only make it worse. While there's no resolution that can stop Iran crossing the nuclear threshold. The fact is, there is no way of stopping a country going nuclear if it's prepared to find enough cash and face down international censure. Military strikes would only buy time - an uncertain gain at a huge cost. The best deterrence we can do, is to raise the price of a bomb and deepen the disgrace. It's not ideal, but it's the only sane option we have given the hand we're dealt with.
World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur - OUCH!
19/06/2010 06:06:21 PM
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I'm not surprised. Obama is incompetent and amateur. He makes Carter look good. *NM*
19/06/2010 07:40:22 PM
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I always thought he was going to be Carter Part II.....sadly, I guess I was right. *NM*
20/06/2010 01:54:23 AM
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It's true he's not living up to the expectations - domestically or abroad.
19/06/2010 08:16:54 PM
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I would say he is living up to my expectations
19/06/2010 09:46:49 PM
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He is living up to my expectations too
20/06/2010 12:03:20 AM
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yes leadership is hard
21/06/2010 03:55:24 AM
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Hillary Clinton is the only member of the Obama Administration who seems competent.
19/06/2010 10:04:29 PM
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Well, several of the cabinet members are solid
19/06/2010 10:19:00 PM
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I always consider Gates a Bush appointee.
19/06/2010 10:29:10 PM
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Well, new 'rumor' is Rahm's gone after November, maybe it will be a trend
21/06/2010 03:32:20 AM
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I'm not saying she's incompetent.
19/06/2010 10:50:27 PM
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If we were to bomb their nuclear facilities it would end up in a general war. We know that.
20/06/2010 04:39:52 AM
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Bombing Iran would be a disaster for the United States.
20/06/2010 11:55:37 AM
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It depends on our goals and how we achieve them.
21/06/2010 02:38:32 AM
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Do you think that when the bombs hit, they'll spare those who wear green?
21/06/2010 09:36:02 AM
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I'm not advocating bombing if it doesn't achieve anything.
21/06/2010 02:08:10 PM
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Bombing Iran won't achieve anything, that's the point.
22/06/2010 11:34:04 AM
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Why target the nuclear sites? Target Khamenei, Ahmadinejad and other regime leaders.
22/06/2010 02:36:15 PM
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Well Tom get your tin hat and join up.
21/06/2010 01:07:21 AM
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Lol! You talk like those losers who vote for Lyndon LaRouche.
21/06/2010 02:35:00 AM
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So i'll take it you won't be joining up then?
21/06/2010 10:45:39 PM
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I just realized people like you aren't worth time responding to.
22/06/2010 12:47:50 AM
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You mean realised after the response
or realised but then responded anyway.
23/06/2010 05:48:37 PM
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There's a lot of buzz that Obama will dump Biden and ask Hillary to be VP in 2012
20/06/2010 01:56:14 AM
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Isn't it a BIT early to talk about Obama going through a primary?
20/06/2010 03:16:06 AM
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I started to have trouble taking this seriously somewhere during the first sentence. *NM*
19/06/2010 10:33:48 PM
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A lot of us who had seen Tony Blair, thought we weren't seeing anything new.
21/06/2010 12:49:35 AM
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Re: A lot of us who had seen Tony Blair, thought we weren't seeing anything new.
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Re: A lot of us who had seen Tony Blair, thought we weren't seeing anything new.
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