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Re: I think those points support my argument Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 06:31:34 PM
Well I have heard of their book before and I have read reviews and synopses of it as well as excerpts. Their basic arguments boils down to the fact the since a few very blue states do better in certain family value measurements then a few very red states liberal values on family are superior to conservative values. I guess it is possible that their entire body of work is not a stinking pile of crap meant to convince them and their liberal friends of their moral and intellectual superiority but I really not willing to wade through it all to find out.

I apologize, then. I was assuming you were basing your judgement on this article alone.
What was the measure for how red or blue a state was? How they voted in presidential elections. The average African American may have more conservatives views then the left side the democratic party but they would still be much more liberal then the average Utah republican. If the argument that a liberal point of view made for a more stable family which waits longer to have children and get married then the average African American should get married later the average Utah republican.

If your point was that they're basically ignoring African Americans because those would totally ruin their premise, and that that's lame and unscientific besides, then I agree. I was merely reacting to your statement that the African Americans are the most liberal group, when in fact they are obviously the most Democratic group but not all that liberal, but since you obviously know that, I guess it was kind of nitpicking. Sorry. ;)

And as you can see in my original reply, I also agree with you about how wealth and education have more to do with these things than political affiliation.
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Red Families, Blue Families, Gay Families, and the Search for a New Normal Roland00 - 24/07/2010 05:56:09 AM 682 Views
This guy needs an editor. "Alright" is not all right. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2010 07:44:40 AM 74 Views
Is that really all you have to say about that article? Tim - 24/07/2010 12:14:11 PM 179 Views
When I'm on my iPhone I'm limited to short snark. Ghavrel - 24/07/2010 10:21:48 PM 186 Views
Mmm, really though... LadyLorraine - 24/07/2010 10:55:46 PM 166 Views
It's a shame forum posts don't have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom like e-mails do. Tim - 25/07/2010 12:00:12 AM 171 Views
What, so we can have the excuse for writing shitty posts? Ghavrel - 25/07/2010 01:52:01 AM 173 Views
I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage. Tim - 25/07/2010 01:02:18 PM 167 Views
I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage. Tim - 25/07/2010 01:02:19 PM 171 Views
Two things Roland00 - 25/07/2010 01:43:56 PM 169 Views
You shouldn't underestimate the power of religion in Africa as well. Legolas - 25/07/2010 01:51:59 PM 157 Views
BS it is culture not religion Roland00 - 25/07/2010 03:21:59 AM 177 Views
Five high-profile atheists against gay marriage. Go. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/07/2010 04:22:57 AM 92 Views
China *NM* Roland00 - 25/07/2010 04:51:43 AM 78 Views
...well played. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/07/2010 04:55:33 AM 80 Views
That's a fascinating insight, although it does set my "oversimplification" alarm bells ringing. Tim - 24/07/2010 01:02:38 PM 200 Views
I agree that it seems overly simplified LadyLorraine - 24/07/2010 03:26:13 PM 185 Views
what do you mean don't assciate red/blue with republican/democrat? random thoughts - 26/07/2010 04:34:18 PM 151 Views
I know, but in the context of what he's discussing... LadyLorraine - 26/07/2010 05:43:29 PM 150 Views
that is like trying to separate wet and water random thoughts - 26/07/2010 06:29:48 PM 156 Views
I'm thinking a bit outside his actual article LadyLorraine - 26/07/2010 08:32:09 PM 151 Views
very interesting read LadyLorraine - 24/07/2010 03:27:41 PM 152 Views
This is a very interesting subject. I'll link to an older article inside. Dreaded Anomaly - 24/07/2010 05:50:47 PM 175 Views
Shit that new yorker article is almost 2 years old Roland00 - 25/07/2010 05:25:20 AM 166 Views
You pre-empted one of the comments I was going to make... Legolas - 25/07/2010 12:12:56 AM 188 Views
Try reading the article to which I linked in the post above yours. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/07/2010 03:01:21 AM 163 Views
In america once you account inflation and after taxes Roland00 - 25/07/2010 05:16:35 AM 165 Views
Not sure what the relevance of that to my post is? Legolas - 25/07/2010 10:52:29 AM 157 Views
You were saying Roland00 - 25/07/2010 01:38:12 PM 157 Views
My point on that topic was... Legolas - 25/07/2010 01:50:19 PM 166 Views
I nor the author never said the word failure Roland00 - 25/07/2010 02:45:11 PM 154 Views
Okay, well, my points are there, if you ever want to react to them, feel free. Legolas - 25/07/2010 04:54:21 PM 159 Views
Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake Isaac - 25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM 204 Views
I'd be interested to see the reasons why you assert that "most people don't really like gays." Ghavrel - 25/07/2010 01:56:30 AM 174 Views
You'd only ever get anecdotal proof Isaac - 25/07/2010 02:15:54 AM 172 Views
in some instances, it's totally legit to dislike a fat person LadyLorraine - 25/07/2010 04:19:40 AM 169 Views
In that case, then, I disagree with you. Ghavrel - 25/07/2010 04:25:38 AM 158 Views
Well, like I said I think you're mistaking my meaning on that Isaac - 25/07/2010 05:12:45 AM 160 Views
most people don't really like most people, period. LadyLorraine - 25/07/2010 04:15:58 AM 150 Views
how many people in your generation use "that is so gay" as a compliment? random thoughts - 26/07/2010 02:33:12 PM 178 Views
and article that uses "Red families and Blues Families" as it basis really can't be taken seriously random thoughts - 26/07/2010 02:59:20 PM 159 Views
I'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but two important points... Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:43:55 PM 165 Views
Well, Cahn and Carbone aren't experts in the field either Isaac - 26/07/2010 05:25:50 PM 160 Views
while the specific demographics discussed are certainly worth questioning... LadyLorraine - 26/07/2010 05:48:30 PM 176 Views
the study he builds his argument around is not worth questioning random thoughts - 26/07/2010 06:43:21 PM 151 Views
I agree with you mostly LadyLorraine - 26/07/2010 08:28:04 PM 158 Views
My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth random thoughts - 26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM 160 Views
All of that is quite sensible. LadyLorraine - 26/07/2010 11:47:10 PM 155 Views
Interesting. Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:40:44 PM 163 Views
just to be nit picky myself random thoughts - 26/07/2010 06:48:56 PM 151 Views
Correct, the median age factor was also ignored Isaac - 26/07/2010 07:28:19 PM 177 Views
I think those points support my argument random thoughts - 26/07/2010 06:16:29 PM 157 Views
Re: I think those points support my argument Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:31:34 PM 152 Views
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