The two ladies in question both teach Feminist Jurisprudence at law schools, and have no scientific pre-law background, having attended the same PR and IA school for their bachelors of art, they've no science or math background, social or natural. I recognize the data they are using, its ACS data from the Census Bureau, Pew did an analysis of it sometime back, needless to say they didn't draw the same conclusions, but then they didn't deliberately leave out the most blue least liberal demographic of the Dems, African-Americans, in their analysis, which has been a source of a lot of criticism on the book.
Seems everybody but me knows a lot about this book already. That does make me look a bit silly.

AA aren't particularly liberal, no, almost all blue though, red v blue state doesn't measure lib/con tendency. As is often pointed out, all that is indicated by Red v Blue is what percentage of the population of the state is urban.
I've never heard that pointed out actually, and it seems a *bit* exaggerated (cities in red states are far more blue than the rest of the state obviously, but usually not quite as blue as cities in blue states, sometimes not even blue enough to get local Democratic majorities in presidential voting, whereas in some blue states even the rural districts vote blue), but largely accurate, yeah.
Also not mentioned in the article is that those 5 young red states have a median first marriage age of 25, with the usual year and change higher for males over females, and the old blues are 30, DC sticks out at 32. When Pew looked at their data what they commented on was that the first marriage age of everyone was on a massive rise and that marriage length was shorter, more divorces. Utah, the very youngest, has half of it's first-time brides before age 24, not exactly in my mind a horrible sign.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If those red states have younger populations, that is certainly relevant to the matter at hand. But you seem to be making another argument that isn't quite clear to me.
It's just a number game though, which draws my criticism, and would draw it heavier if the authors actually had a scientific background, I can play with the same data and show you higher crime rates in blue states too, and as right-wing as I am I don't consider the dems to encourage crime. We see a lot of cherry picking of data to essentially change the real demographic culprits into political ones, its practically become a dance routine. My favorites are the ones conclusively proving how much dumber or smarter one group is over another, invariably a form of ideological masturbation that often uses false indicators and when they do it properly amounts to assigning a cause-effect relationship between two things which are actual effects. You remember that 'economic knowledge' survey that got posted a while back I'm sure, and while it was probable that pro-capitalist would know more about capitalist economic theory the choice in wording was clearly the root of the knowledge gap, nor did economic knowledge indicate anything about intelligence other than knowledge of economics.
Indeed I remember, and that was pretty much what I argued at the time. IQ is a very hazy concept at the best of times, and attempts to involve in politics are most certainly not the best of times.
Red Families, Blue Families, Gay Families, and the Search for a New Normal
24/07/2010 05:56:09 AM
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This guy needs an editor. "Alright" is not all right. *NM*
24/07/2010 07:44:40 AM
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Is that really all you have to say about that article?
24/07/2010 12:14:11 PM
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When I'm on my iPhone I'm limited to short snark.
24/07/2010 10:21:48 PM
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It's a shame forum posts don't have "Sent from my iPhone" at the bottom like e-mails do.
25/07/2010 12:00:12 AM
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What, so we can have the excuse for writing shitty posts?
25/07/2010 01:52:01 AM
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I understand a lot of black people oppose gay marriage.
25/07/2010 01:02:19 PM
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Two things
25/07/2010 01:43:56 PM
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You shouldn't underestimate the power of religion in Africa as well.
25/07/2010 01:51:59 PM
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BS it is culture not religion
25/07/2010 03:21:59 AM
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That's a fascinating insight, although it does set my "oversimplification" alarm bells ringing.
24/07/2010 01:02:38 PM
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I agree that it seems overly simplified
24/07/2010 03:26:13 PM
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what do you mean don't assciate red/blue with republican/democrat?
26/07/2010 04:34:18 PM
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I know, but in the context of what he's discussing...
26/07/2010 05:43:29 PM
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This is a very interesting subject. I'll link to an older article inside.
24/07/2010 05:50:47 PM
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You pre-empted one of the comments I was going to make...
25/07/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Try reading the article to which I linked in the post above yours.
25/07/2010 03:01:21 AM
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In america once you account inflation and after taxes
25/07/2010 05:16:35 AM
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Not sure what the relevance of that to my post is?
25/07/2010 10:52:29 AM
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You were saying
25/07/2010 01:38:12 PM
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My point on that topic was...
25/07/2010 01:50:19 PM
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I nor the author never said the word failure
25/07/2010 02:45:11 PM
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Okay, well, my points are there, if you ever want to react to them, feel free.
25/07/2010 04:54:21 PM
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Red/blue assumptions here are likely a mistake
25/07/2010 01:43:18 AM
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I'd be interested to see the reasons why you assert that "most people don't really like gays."
25/07/2010 01:56:30 AM
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You'd only ever get anecdotal proof
25/07/2010 02:15:54 AM
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how many people in your generation use "that is so gay" as a compliment?
26/07/2010 02:33:12 PM
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and article that uses "Red families and Blues Families" as it basis really can't be taken seriously
26/07/2010 02:59:20 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but two important points...
26/07/2010 04:43:55 PM
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Well, Cahn and Carbone aren't experts in the field either
26/07/2010 05:25:50 PM
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while the specific demographics discussed are certainly worth questioning...
26/07/2010 05:48:30 PM
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the study he builds his argument around is not worth questioning
26/07/2010 06:43:21 PM
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I agree with you mostly
26/07/2010 08:28:04 PM
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My personal definition is a man and woman wanting to raise children or at least build a life togeth
26/07/2010 10:22:35 PM
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Interesting.
26/07/2010 06:40:44 PM
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